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Terror Suspects' Right to Bear Arms
NY Times ^ | March 9, 2005 | MEATHEAD EDITORIAL

Posted on 03/08/2005 10:50:19 PM PST by neverdem

The good news for Americans concerned about post-9/11 preparedness is that 58 potential gun buyers were flagged in a nine-month period last year as positive matches on a federal watch list of terrorism suspects. The bad news is that 47 of them were cleared to go ahead anyway and buy assault rifles, ammunition or whatever else was on their firearms shopping list. Federal agents could only watch as the crazy quilt of loopholes that passes for gun control in this country enabled dozens of suspects to stock their personal or group armories.

Welcome to the new world of homeland security, where all the national resolve to be alert is clearly butting into the citizenry's near-almighty right to bear arms.

Warnings about terror suspects' easy access to combat rifles grew after 9/11 when it was disclosed that John Ashcroft, a gun rights zealot who was attorney general at the time, had blocked federal agents from matching gun-purchase records against the growing list of thousands of terror suspects. The privacy rights of innocent gun purchasers were deemed paramount in the national emergency. The policy was theoretically reversed, but federal agents complain that they are still stymied by laws and by officials dedicated to the most extreme agenda of the gun lobby.

The alarming ease with which terror suspects can buy high-powered weapons on Main Street was disclosed by the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress. This is an irony in itself since the Republican-controlled Congress declined last year to renew the 10-year-old assault rifle ban, which had helped keep battlefield weapons out of the hands of mayhem-minded citizens.

The study was requested by Senator Frank Lautenberg, Democrat of New Jersey, who is proposing to keep the gun-purchase records of terror suspects on hand for at least 10 years. Currently, purchase records must be destroyed within 24 hours - another victory for the gun lobby that was obsequiously enacted last year by Congress.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: New Jersey; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; firearms; guncontrol
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If Lautenberg writes a bill, everyone having a NICS check will probably be named on the federal watch list of terrorism suspects.
1 posted on 03/08/2005 10:50:19 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They betrayed us!!! They're playing on our fears!!! They are using terrorism to push through their questionable agenda. Yeah, terrorists normally go to the gun shop and purchase guns on the open legal market. The same with criminals and gang members. How gullible do these jokers think we are? Unfortunately, they are right about a great many citizens.


2 posted on 03/08/2005 10:53:53 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (History remembers only what was, not what might have been.)
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To: Cyclopean Squid

The problem is, of course, that when such a law is passed, the predominance of armament will be even more so on the side of the terrorists vs. the law abiding citizens.


3 posted on 03/08/2005 10:56:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Cyclopean Squid

Let me see, the MO of a terrorist is box cutters, suicide bombings, flying planes into buildings. Can't remember any of them just picking up a gun and shooting.


4 posted on 03/08/2005 10:57:18 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: neverdem

Gee, for some strange reason, this story was on all 3 networks 5:30 news tonight. Is it possible the MSN gets its marching orders from the NYT? (duh!)


5 posted on 03/08/2005 10:59:06 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: neverdem
Being a suspect in this country amounts to guilt? When did this happen?
Now, if they're not legal citizens that's another story.

And just think, They can buy bottles and gasoline too! /OMG!

6 posted on 03/08/2005 10:59:35 PM PST by MaxMax (GOD BLESS AMERICA)
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To: MaxMax
Being a suspect in this country amounts to guilt? When did this happen?
Now, if they're not legal citizens that's another story.

Just out of curiosity why can't a visitor get a gun license for hunting ? I mean after he has been approved to enter the country. Legal immigrant/visitors I mean.
7 posted on 03/08/2005 11:04:53 PM PST by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: newfarm4000n

That's a very good question, And something I've never thought about.


8 posted on 03/08/2005 11:09:24 PM PST by MaxMax (GOD BLESS AMERICA)
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To: newfarm4000n

In most states, that I'm aware of, you don't need a gun license for hunting. You just need a hunting license, which you can obtain with a driver's license, which gives you the privelege to drive a truck bomb.


9 posted on 03/08/2005 11:24:03 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: neverdem
The bad news is that 47 of them were cleared to go ahead anyway and buy assault rifles, ammunition or whatever else was on their firearms shopping list. Federal agents could only watch as the crazy quilt of loopholes that passes for gun control in this country enabled dozens of suspects to stock their personal or group armories.

Okey-dokey then. Let me get this straight...they are on a "Federal watch list" but were cleared to get the rifles as the "Federal" government looked on in horror? This entire story reeks to high heaven. The FedGov maintains three "do not sell" lists; mainly populated by known criminal aliens and other terror suspects...I know this because I had to have one of the three printed out last week. It is 194 pages of very tiny print; complete with names (including in some cases, up to 20 aliases).

I vividly recall a recent story where some Government-yahoo's wife was inadvertently on the "do not fly" list; I suspect those who were cleared had the same type of odd mistake or overreaction befall them. Or, it's a leak by a liberal to foster panic and more gun control (equally possible).

In a related matter...GOOD HEAVENS NO! THESE FORTY-SEVEN WILL OBVIOUSLY TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE COUNTRY...WHATEVER WILL WE DO????

10 posted on 03/08/2005 11:30:09 PM PST by garandgal
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To: Eagles6
In most states, that I'm aware of, you don't need a gun license for hunting. You just need a hunting license, which you can obtain with a driver's license, which gives you the privelege to drive a truck bomb.


Hunting itself wasn't the basis of my inquiry . If a visitor to a crime ridden city ( Most Urban area's these days) wants a weapon legally does his non-Citizen status matter ?
11 posted on 03/08/2005 11:33:06 PM PST by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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Good question. According to PA Act 17 it states "that it is not the purpose of this act to place any undue or unnecessary restrictions on law abiding citizens". Haven't purchased a firearm lately but I do recall that the form asks if you are a citizen for the check. Anyone welcome to pass on info.
Course the non-law abiding will have no problem.


12 posted on 03/08/2005 11:48:11 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: neverdem

Isn't fat teddy kennedy on one of those terrorist watch lists.


13 posted on 03/09/2005 1:25:32 AM PST by Modok
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To: ozzymandus
Gee, for some strange reason, this story was on all 3 networks 5:30 news tonight. Is it possible the MSN gets its marching orders from the NYT? (duh!)

Surprise!

Same Topic on O'Reilly factor as well!
O'Reilly was at the top of his form, insisting that gun laws need to be changed to "protect" americans..

His guest, however, pointed out that suspected terrorists would just get their guns the way criminals do..
Illegally...

Much other blather concerning Conservatism, "Progressives", ( permissives? hedonists? Socialists? ) the Christian Right, etc.. but the original topic devolved into a gun rights argument..

Once again, O'Reilly proves he doesn't deserve the position he holds..

14 posted on 03/09/2005 3:29:25 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: hipaatwo; sure_fine

Get ready; it's coming. Remember "the beltway snipers"? Picture that scenario in 50-75 major US cities.


15 posted on 03/09/2005 3:40:25 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
Get ready; it's coming. Remember "the beltway snipers"? Picture that scenario in 50-75 major US cities.

and it probably won't be the terrorists that we think, but instead, they will be hired to get laws like that passed

don't forget about Nation of Islam

16 posted on 03/09/2005 3:52:11 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: neverdem

If there is a problem, enforce the law with the current laws on the books. There is absolutely no need to write more laws.


17 posted on 03/09/2005 5:32:47 AM PST by Maigrey ("... I will stand in front of the box to put my heart in it." - Mohammed from Iraq the Blog)
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To: neverdem

Why would a real terrorist go to a gun store to by a semi auto rifle when they can go to the Saudi Arabian ,Syrian,Libyan,Sudanese,Somalian etc embassy's & literally get anything they want via the Diplomatic pouch & the military attaches in those embassies. As in real belt fed light machine guns, RPG-7's,hand grenades,mortar's with ammo . The corrupt political class is trying once again to turn "CITIZENS" into wretched peasants .


18 posted on 03/09/2005 6:08:01 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: neverdem
The good news for Americans concerned about post-9/11 preparedness is that 58 potential gun buyers were flagged in a nine-month period last year as positive matches on a federal watch list of terrorism suspects. The bad news is that 47 of them were cleared to go ahead anyway and buy assault rifles, ammunition or whatever else was on their firearms shopping list.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "assault rifles" were illegal to purchase during that "nine-month period last year."

19 posted on 03/09/2005 6:18:49 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: neverdem

The solution of course is to allow more access for the rest of us so that we might fight these terrorists.

The NY Times though suggests more gun control...bunch liberal morons.


20 posted on 03/09/2005 6:20:48 AM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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