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How to Save Medicare? Die Sooner
NY Times ^ | February 27, 2005

Posted on 02/27/2005 8:40:41 AM PST by traumer

THOUGH Social Security's fiscal direction has taken center stage in Washington of late, Medicare's future financing problems are likely to be much worse. President Bush has asserted that the Medicare Modernization Act, which he signed in 2003, would solve some of those problems - "the logic is irrefutable," he said two months ago. Yet the Congressional Budget Office expects the law to create just $28 billion in savings during the decade after its passage, while its prescription drug benefit will add more than $400 billion in costs.

So, how can Medicare's ballooning costs be contained? One idea is to let people die earlier.

For the last few decades, the share of Medicare costs incurred by patients in their last year of life has stayed at about 28 percent, said Dr. Gail R. Wilensky, a senior fellow at Project HOPE who previously ran Medicare and Medicaid. Thus end-of-life care hasn't contributed unduly of late to Medicare's problems. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be part of the solution. "If you take the assumption that you want to go where the money is, it's a reasonable place to look," Dr. Wilensky said.

End-of-life care may also be a useful focus because, in some cases, efforts to prolong life may end up only prolonging suffering. In such cases, reducing pain may be a better use of resources than heroic attempts to save lives.

The question becomes, how can you identify end-of-life care, especially the kind that's likely to be of little value? "It's very difficult to predict exactly when a given individual is going to die, in most cases," said David O. Meltzer, an associate professor of medicine at the University of Chicago who also teaches economics. "But there's no question that there are many markers we have of someone who is approaching the end of life."

Even with that knowledge, however, Dr. Meltzer warned against putting the brakes on care just as a patient takes an inexorable turn for the worse. Studies of doctors who intervened at that point to stave off unproductive care have found little success in cutting costs, he said. Instead, he recommended that doctors try to prepare patients and families for less resource-intensive care at the end of life. "There is no question, as a clinician, and as a patient and the family members of patients, there are things you can do to make sure that expenditures with little chance of being helpful won't be undertaken," he said. "You explain to people that the goal of medical care is not always to make people live longer."

Explaining that principle early on could make a difference in the cases that appear to pose the biggest problem: those in which the patient's health changes suddenly and severely. Dr. Wilensky cited recent research showing that these cases incurred high costs with scant medical benefit.

"When someone starts going south, and there was not an expectation that that was going to happen, you probably pull out all the stops," she said.

These choices can actually harm patients, contradicting the purpose of the treatment, said Dr. Arnold S. Relman, a professor emeritus of medicine and social medicine at Harvard and former editor in chief of The New England Journal of Medicine. "Sometimes, you know that death is inevitable over the next few weeks or few months," he said. "And then there are some doctors, and some families, who just don't want to confront that, and feel that they want to and should invest everything possible - the maximum amount of resources - in fighting the inevitable. That often results in prolonging the pain and discomfort of dying."

Dr. Wilensky said these cases often involved an unusual number of specialists and other doctors visiting the patient, as well as a potentially excessive number of tests. Better coordination of care within hospitals and with other providers could curtail these extra efforts, she said. She also suggested that more use of evidence-based medicine, in which care is guided by documented cases and statistics, could discourage doctors from pursuing treatments with little chance of success.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: golonghorns; healthcare; medicare; socialsecurity; universityofoklahoma; utilitarianism
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To: Kozak

OMG!


141 posted on 02/27/2005 12:58:08 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cake_crumb
Private health care savings accounts and/or health industry accounts styled after money markets (private ones) seem a better option than the Final Solution.

When was I advocating the Final Solution? The government has greatly increased the cost of care, both through regulatory burdens and through the crazy 'malpractice' system. If these obstacles were removed, it would be much cheaper for charitable institutions to provide care, and the problems would be minimized.

142 posted on 02/27/2005 12:58:40 PM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: cake_crumb
You pay Medicare taxes, yes? So you advocate non-treatment for yourself after retirement?

I would like to be treated if there is a reasonable chance of recovey. Otherwise, I would prefer to die quickly after a severe stroke like my father, or suddenly during a heart attack like my mother.

A few months ago, a co-worker died of a massive heart attack at his desk. He just quietly slumped forward and that was it. Until, of course, the usual hubbub of emergency workers and police, but by that time he was dead.

143 posted on 02/27/2005 1:06:35 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: Lessismore; Kozak; hocndoc; Agrarian
I would suggest that we drop the tons of lawsuits against physicians and let them practise as they used to, from common sense. Today they have to cover every possibility for CYA, which costs a small fortune. Medicine is not a god and neither are her practitioners, but somehow people have come to expect this. I know. They sit in my chair and demand that I hit their vein on the first try "or else". We have to return to trusting relationships in healthcare.

Then we take Kozak here, and hocndoc, and a few others I know from this board, and put them in charge of all of it.

Instead, we have now people with a BA in psychology and phD in economics telling us what our healthcare choices are and should be. And insurance clerks with high school degrees.

People can be educated to understand that all the extensive testing and treatments available are options, and make their own choices.
Patients today think that they have to take advantage of every single test and treatment in the world, so we have 85 yo men demanding yearly PSA's. They act as if getting a blood test ordered is the equivalent of catching a good sale.

144 posted on 02/27/2005 1:13:54 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
"We knew it was only a matter of time before they would finally say what we've known this is really about! Cloak the argument as 'mercy' and 'death with dignity' and fool the masses!"

Yep. I've heard the words "tinfoil hat" thrown at anyone who dared suggest that this could ever be considered anywhere, by anyone. Sometimes the tinfoil hatters are just the ones who see more clearly.

Well, the mask is off, and they've tipped their hand.
145 posted on 02/27/2005 1:30:43 PM PST by Wampus SC (Is the Tree of Liberty getting thirsty?)
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To: MarMema

Personally i think a big help here would be for people to be able to find a family or primary doctor, get to know them and trust them and use them as a major resource in this area ( this will mean some reform of insurance or medicare so that the patients aren't constantly shifted from one doc to another by their insurer).

If I as an ER doc walk into a situation near end of life, its not good. I don't know the patient of the family. I don't know all the history. It is much much much better for someone who knows the patient, and the family and they are comfortable with to be able to decide how to proceed. Then they can go all out, or just ensure comfort and dignity.


146 posted on 02/27/2005 1:31:57 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: .38sw

"But "First, Do No Harm" isn't operative in a socialist system. When you have a "single payer", the payer is always looking for ways to reduce costs. Rationing is one way; benign neglect of the very ill with an eye toward their more speedy demise is another."

Agreed. Someone from the UK was telling me that this was common practice with the NHS. It made her very distrustful of a system that might decide to give up a family member who still had a chance. It also struck her has basically unfair to triage someone just because they're older.


147 posted on 02/27/2005 1:33:01 PM PST by Wiseghy (Go Gov. Arnie!!)
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To: traumer

And there we have it. This kind of article is sometimes called "revelation of the method". Whenever the powers behind a heinous plan think their success is certain, an article like this miraculously appears. It's their way of saying, "This is what we're going to do to you and there's not a d@mn thing you can do about it".


148 posted on 02/27/2005 1:36:34 PM PST by Wampus SC (Is the Tree of Liberty getting thirsty?)
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To: stopem
"Let them die earlier? Good grief, isn't that Michael Schiavo's idea? I think we are entering into dangerous ground here with such a suggestion."

The Schiavo case is a test case to establish a legal precedent for the ideas presented in that article.
149 posted on 02/27/2005 1:40:19 PM PST by Wampus SC (Is the Tree of Liberty getting thirsty?)
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To: the invisib1e hand

That wager sounds like a sure bet to me.


150 posted on 02/27/2005 1:41:50 PM PST by Wampus SC (Is the Tree of Liberty getting thirsty?)
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To: MarMema
A few freepers have met her personally in the last few years. I am willing to bet they will tell you she is a darn normal kid.

Actually, I found her to be a delightful child. That puts her a little outside of the American "norm" for children, however, and that's a good thing since we seem to be raising a nation of brats.

151 posted on 02/27/2005 1:42:23 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: MarMema
There is an easy way to remedy this. Stop giving flu shots to the elderly.

And the shots for pneumonia. My mom gets one every two years, I think.

152 posted on 02/27/2005 1:44:49 PM PST by syriacus (Was Margaret Hassan kidnapped because she knew the Oil for Food program failed to aid Iraqis?)
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To: Kozak
But the facilities are panicked don't want people dying at the nursing home, afraid some family member who hasn't visited Granny in 5 years will get the guilties ( or the greedies) and sue for not transporting the patient to the hospital for the most heroic of measures. Insanity.

Approximately what percent of ER patients do you think are not worth working on?

153 posted on 02/27/2005 1:50:50 PM PST by syriacus (Was Margaret Hassan kidnapped because she knew the Oil for Food program failed to aid Iraqis?)
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To: cake_crumb

"The cost takes a backseat to the powerful, instinctive need to save our children "

The children are needed to produce, to re-produce, to feed and take care of us (and US) !


154 posted on 02/27/2005 1:55:14 PM PST by traumer
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To: the invisib1e hand
There is political clout coming from the euthenasia backers, and I am willing to wager -- sadly -- that the invisible force behind it -- the earthly one, that is -- is the insurance lobby. so much of what is egregious and plainly evil in legislation these days seems to play directly to the interests of insurance companies. Where money is concerned, there are no coincidences.

Interesting observations. Would our government really allow such a thing?

155 posted on 02/27/2005 1:55:29 PM PST by stopem (Support the troops yellow ribbon purse-key-holders.)
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To: stopem
Would our government really allow such a thing?

Why not? We don't stop them.

156 posted on 02/27/2005 1:58:05 PM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Dr. Kevorkian

Bastard though he be, at least Kevorkian does not subscribe to the painful prolonged Michael R. Schiavo brand of euthanasia.


157 posted on 02/27/2005 2:03:44 PM PST by Theodore R. (Terri has already outlived Eleanor Centzone.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

The answer to contain the costs of medicare now is the prescription drug coverage, stop that part and there wouldn't be a problem.

Stop paying for unnecssary procedures and there wouldn't be a problem.


158 posted on 02/27/2005 2:07:12 PM PST by stopem (Support the troops yellow ribbon purse-key-holders.)
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To: syriacus
"And the shots for pneumonia. My mom gets one every two years, I think."

My family Dr. refused to give my dad a pneumonia shot. He says there's no way a pneumonia shot can help anyone over 60.

Time for a new Dr.
159 posted on 02/27/2005 2:16:37 PM PST by Wampus SC (Is the Tree of Liberty getting thirsty?)
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"There is political clout coming from the euthenasia backers, and I am willing to wager -- sadly -- that the invisible force behind it -- the earthly one, that is -- is the insurance lobby. so much of what is egregious and plainly evil in legislation these days seems to play directly to the interests of insurance companies. Where money is concerned, there are no coincidences."

And money buys government. How can Americans be sold on the idea that every one of them will eventually be declared unworthy to live according to some govt. rule? Oh, there will be slick spin, but everyone will figure it out sooner or later, when it's their turn, or the turn of a family member. Why, when people realize that sooner or later the government will say, "OK, it's your turn to die now", there could be a real uprising.

The idea never sold in Germany - until the Nazis took all the guns away. Nobody would seriously suggest that all Americans should have their guns taken away.... oops! Some has suggested that? Uh-oh...
160 posted on 02/27/2005 2:31:34 PM PST by Wampus SC (Is the Tree of Liberty getting thirsty?)
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