Posted on 02/19/2005 12:35:54 PM PST by BroncosFan
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No picts? I wanted to see fish swimming out of their portholes!
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agreed........he knows which side his sushi is buttered on...I heard a great critique on the Chinese Navy by that ambassador turned Fellow at a righty think tank.......he basically said they have numbers but are really crap on the seas and haven't had a major engagement on the oceans since one of those long ago dynasty's......said the U.S. could take them in a matter of weeks easily......
I actually tried to remember the last time the Chinese Navy had a victory, and couldn't think of one offhand.
The last time they saw combat was being crushed by the Japanese in 1895.
What you heard from the ambassador conforms to what I've heard from various naval types; including some that have been on PRC warships; they look pretty "sloppy."
True for now, IF we have the will, IF we're not distracted elsewhere, IF it isn't already over by the time we arrive on scene in sufficient numbers, IF we don't get dissuaded by a few early setbacks. The center of gravity lies in Foggy Bottom, not in the Straits. Remember, the Falklands didn't start off well at all for the Brits. They lost the islands, lost the Sheffield and other picket destroyers, and took several weeks to get in the game. How will we react if things unfold in a similar manner? Especially if there's a new Democrat president. And what if we're tied up in Venezuela or Iran?
that is alot ofr "if's".....just talking about the comparison of the arsenals at sea and how we logistically we could take those little guys all things being equal
plus I heard that their primary missles and such were just not on par though their ships are fairly modern......I'll bet not a whole lot better than Russia in the later stages of their arms race...
One Clinton legacy we need to be grateful for is the rearming of Japan. Before Clinton came on the scene, Japan largely entrusted their protection to the U.S. military. Once it became clear that Clinton was owned by the ChiComs, Japan was morivated to build a military worthy of the world's second biggest economy.
The way Clancy had the Japanese navy disable two nuclear carriers and sink a US sub in Debt of Honor was actually believable. And then the turnabout when we got our own back was a great exercise in how we would answer asymmetric warfare, as long as we could identify who the bad guys were.
You missed the big 'if': IF the Chinese don't shut down the US retail economy by embargo.
The way Clancy had the Japanese navy disable two nuclear carriers and sink a US sub in Debt of Honor was actually believable. And then the turnabout when we got our own back was a great exercise in how we would answer asymmetric warfare, as long as we could identify who the bad guys were.
Launch of SeaSparrow
"PG launching SSM"
5 inch caliber rapid fire
Submarine Tender "CHIYODA"
UH-60J rescue helicopter
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SH-60J training submarine searching operations
In 1967, at the Ishikawajima Harima Shipyard, this obsession of loading their largest destroyer "to the teeth" was seen in the TAKATSUKI class destroyer (seen at left). While only 3100 tons standard, the TAKATSUKI class destroyer had the same weaponry that U.S. Destroyers of double the tonnage would contain including 3-aircraft DASH capability, ASROC with reload capability, Weapon Alpha as well as two MK-32 Triple Torpedo tubes and one four-tube BOFORS ASW launcher. Yet, while this ASW obsession-philosophy even reached down to smaller Japanese torpedo boats which were equipped with dipping sonars, sonobuoys as well as ASW torpedoes, the threat from the air was relatively ignored using only obsolete 3-inch/50 caliber guns. This was due to the overriding mission being to keep the sea-lanes clear of submarines as Japan imported almost all of the raw materials its economy required and still does. Even though the new Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force had become by 1970, the 10th most powerful Navy in the World -end snip-
When the U.S. Navy's DASH program was in full operation, the U.S. Navy loaned the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) three QH-50C drones under the Military Assistance Program (MAP) and sold the JMSDF a single D model aircraft in 1965 to see if DASH could bolster the JMSDF's ASW capabilities. The C model serial numbers were DS-1278, DS-1279 and DS-1280. The D model was DS-1494.
With a dual torpedo delivery capability in any weather, a 45 mile delivery range and the close proximity to Soviet Union (USSR) Naval Bases, the Japanese were very interested in the DASH concept. After testing, the JMSDF purchased 16 additional aircraft from Gyrodyne in 1967 (All D models) through the Nissho-Iwai Trading company, with the final delivery in September 1971. They were serial numbers J-1 through J-16. Above left, QH-50C, number DS-1279, flies for the first time on November 15, 1966 from the training base at Eta Jima, Japan; the JMSDF training facility. By March 31 1971,The JMSDF had flown over 1,440 hours. By September of 1971, SEVEN Japanese Destroyers were flying DASH, with a success rate of 360 hours mean time before failure (MTBF) which was twice the U.S. Navy's over-all record. Yet this success was not by accident. 
The Japanese success with their DASH program can be seen in the different manner in which the JMSDF managed their DASH program. The primary difference was the length of time the JMSDF personnel stayed with the program. Capt. Robert H. Beyer USNR (ret), Gyrodyne's then Director for International Operations, who worked with the JMSDF for over six and one half years, stated that personal whom he knew in 1966 were still with the program in 1971. Compare this to the U.S. Navy it was not at all unusual to have a DASH Officer "come and go" through a specific DASH command within six months. Further, there were instances on U.S. Naval destroyers where the senior enlisted man in a DASH group was a 3rd class Petty Officer. The Japanese treated their DASH operation with much more prestige as the commanding Officer of the Training School was a full Captain with full commanders as maintenance and training officers. As far as assignments on Ship, further distinctions were seen. In the U.S. Navy program, the DASH group was comprised of one officer and four enlisted men. Of the 4 enlisted men, at least two in the billet had aviation ratings yet all in the billet were assigned regular shipboard duties with their DASH assignment considered secondary or collateral as the needs of the ship determined priority.
On a JMSDF destroyer, DASH assignments were considered primary duty with other shipboard assignments considered collateral. Further, Japanese technicians would meticulously wash and wax all drones before returning them to their hangars. Capt. Beyer stated that, "When you looked at a Japanese bird, it looked like it just came from the factory -even though it might be three years old. By contrast, I've been aboard some U.S. Destroyers whose birds had corrosion like icicles!". In fact, the U.S. Navy's CRUDESPAC (Commander, cruisers, destroyers-pacific fleet) instituted a program to remove DASH drones and have the them decontaminated by a Japanese contractor (Shinmewa Industries).
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http://www.gyrodynehelicopters.com/jmsdf_destroyers.htm
Are we playing the "Japan Card" to stop China from saber rattling?
The last PLAN victory was more recent than that.They had a series of clashes with the Vietnamese navy in the 1980s & a pretty big one in 1988,when they sank a handful of Vietnamese gunboats.
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