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To: NorCalRepub

I actually tried to remember the last time the Chinese Navy had a victory, and couldn't think of one offhand.

The last time they saw combat was being crushed by the Japanese in 1895.

What you heard from the ambassador conforms to what I've heard from various naval types; including some that have been on PRC warships; they look pretty "sloppy."


8 posted on 02/19/2005 1:11:25 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

plus I heard that their primary missles and such were just not on par though their ships are fairly modern......I'll bet not a whole lot better than Russia in the later stages of their arms race...


11 posted on 02/19/2005 1:17:37 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Strategerist; BroncosFan

The last PLAN victory was more recent than that.They had a series of clashes with the Vietnamese navy in the 1980s & a pretty big one in 1988,when they sank a handful of Vietnamese gunboats.


20 posted on 02/19/2005 9:00:50 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Strategerist
I actually tried to remember the last time the Chinese Navy had a victory, and couldn't think of one offhand.

Kind of like the french LOL.

30 posted on 02/20/2005 5:48:49 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Strategerist
Do not ignore the fact that the Chinese not only have considerable holdings at either end of the Panama Canal, which with a little forethought, could make shifting US Naval assets more difficult, but also have a growing presence in this hemisphere.

This could alter any scenario somewhat in their favor, especially if they were to render the canal impassable during a protracted conflict.

When Chinese troops were sent into Haiti to keep the peace and 'help' with hurricaine cleanup this past season, where were they deployed from?

To underestimate their capability would be a mistake. Maybe the units are not so good, (maybe they are--no one has fought the Chinese Navy under Communist Chinese rule), but their strategic thinking will probably not be flawed to the point where they do not take this into consideration.

Two important reads come to mind: Sun Tsu: The Art of War, and Mao Tse Tung on Guerilla Warfare.

Understand the philosophy, and that total war is more than military confrontation, and any increase in their overt naval capability becomes suspect.

Communism was not just the Soviet Union, and we ignore the Chinese at our peril.

31 posted on 02/20/2005 6:06:01 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (Better get it done now, might not be able to after '08 (repeal GCA of '68, NFA of '34))
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