Kerry Hedges on Form 180

NewsMax ^ | February 7, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

[Kaslin]

Sen. John Kerry reiterated his pledge on Monday to sign the form that would allow the government to release all his military records, but said he wanted to know exactly what was in his file before doing so.

"I have a stack of different material they sent me," Kerry told radio host Don Imus. "Every time they send me something I want to know what they sent me."

"I'll get it done," Kerry insisted in the next breath.

Last week the 2008 presidential hopeful suggested he wanted to review his full Navy file to make sure of "what is in the record and what isn't in the record" before signing Form 180.

"I'm going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isn't in the record and we'll put it out," he told "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert.

Kerry did not explain his reference to "what isn't in the record," though questions arose late in the campaign about why he received his honorable discharge six years after leaving the service.

Pressed earlier today on when he intended to sign Form 180, Kerry said only, "Shortly."

The full exchange went like this:

IMUS: You also told Tim that you would sign Form 180 releasing all of your military records. Have you done that?

KERRY: Yeah. We're gonna do that. Absolutely, I will. But listen, I also think . . .

IMUS: When are you going to do that?

KERRY: As soon as I get, as required by the military, precisely . . .

IMUS: Why don't you do it today?

KERRY; Because I have a stack of different material they sent me. Every time they send me something I want to know what they sent me. I'll get it done. . . .

IMUS: By noon today?

KERRY: No. But shortly. [END OF EXCERPT]

[Terabitten]

Perhaps one of you freepers with past military experience can help us out. Just how often does the Military "send You" your records without a request.

Never. Then again, I've only been out a couple years.

[fortunecookie]

LOL!! She really shot his whole effort in the foot.

Gee, next time, (sarcasm) they should collaborate. Oh, wait, that would mean sharing the attention.

[kabar]

I doubt that anyone in the military is likely to do any favors for this particular scuzzbucket. I would think his influence with the Armed Services is about the same as his chances for being elected President of the NRA.

I hope you are correct, but some are more equal than others when it comes to application of the rules. I would have hoped that someone in DOD with access to Kerry's records would have leaked something during the election.

You can add quotes, bold, etc just like you do for paragraphs by placing i or b within <> and a / to end it.

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

Bush had to contend with information from his file continuing to dribble out of the Pentagon. Why can't sKerry? Bush didn't edit or negotiate the contents of his military record, why is sKerry?

[Right Cal Gal]

Oh man....my sides are hurtin' from that one.
LOL!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"This is the first meeting of the Kerry for President Committee 2008," Kennedy declared
as Kerry and his wife, Teresa, looked on.

In a meeting earlier in the day with Herald editors and reporters, Kennedy predicted Kerry would be an even more formidable candidate if he runs again in four years.

Boston Globe 02/05/05

Don't be a CINO (Conservative in Name Only)
Don't listen to CINO's in politics,
the Main Stream CINO media,
and even here on Free Republic.
EXPOSE the traitor for what he really is, The Enemy Within.

Don't listen to CINO's who want to "move on".
And tell you "get over it Kerry lost"
"Kerry is finished."
He's NOT finished!

And remember this.

All it will take is for Clinton to have more problems with her health
to guarantee that Kerry WILL run in '08.






Col. Geo. "Bud" Day Medal of Honor Vietnam POW 1967-1973 USMC - USA Attorney 1949-2004-

Dear Joe: The major issue in the Swiftboat stories is, and always has been,
what John Kerry did in 1971 after he returned from Vietnam.

Kerry cast a long dark shadow over all Vietnam Veterans with his outright perjury before the Senate concerning atrocities in Vietnam. His stories to the Senate committee were absolute lies.. fabrications.. perjury.. fantasies, with NO substance. That dark shadow has defamed the entire Vietnam War veteran population, and gave "Aid and Comfort" to our enemies..the Vietnamese Communists. Kerry's stories were outright fabrications, and were intended for political gain with the radical left..McGovern, Teddy and Bobby Kennedy followers, Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, and the radical left who fantasized that George McGovern was going to be elected in 1972. Little wonder that returning soldiers from Vietnam were spit upon and castigated as "baby killers".
A returned war hero said so.

Kerry cut a dashing figure as a war hero, lots of medals, and returned home because of multiple war wounds..even a silver star. His Senate testimony confirmed what every hippie had been chanting on the streets.."Hey hey LBJ..How many kids did you kill today"?????
He obviously was running for political office in 1971.

Until Lt. John O' Neil, himself a Swifboat commander, spoke out before the 1972 elections against Kerry's outright deceptions, there was no one from the Swiftboat scene that could contradict Kerry's self serving lies.

I was a POW of the Vietnamese in Hanoi in 1971, and I am aware that the testimony of John Kerry, the actions of Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden, and the radical left; all caused the commies to conclude that if they hung on..they would win. North Vietnamese General Bui Tin commented that every day the Communist leadership listened to world news over the radio to follow the growth of the anti-war movement. Visits to Hanoi by Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark gave them confidence to hold in the face of battlefield reverses.
The guts of it was that propaganda from the anti-war group was part of their combat strategy.

While the Commies were hanging on, innumerable U.S. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Air Foce members were being killed in combat.

Every battle wound to Americans after Kerry's misdirected testimony is related to Kerry's untruthfulness.

John Kerry contributed to every one of these deaths with his lies about U.S. atrocities in Vietnam.



He likewise defamed the U.S. with our allies and supporters.

His conduct also extended the imprisonment of the Vietnam Prisoners of War, of which I was one.

I am certain of at least one POW death after his testimony,
which might have been prevented with an earlier release of the POWs.

I draw a direct comparison of General Benedict Arnold of the Revolutionary War, to Lieutenant John Kerry. Both went off to war, fought, and then turned against their country. General Arnold crossed over to the British for money and position. John Kerry crossed over to the Vietnamese with his assistance to the anti-war movement, and his direct liason with the Vietnamese diplomats in Paris.
His reward. Political gain. Senator..United States.

“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW


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or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States,
or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress,
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giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,
is guilty of treason and shall suffer death,
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and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse
with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof,
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or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes
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shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
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thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained
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Violation of UCMJ Section 904. ART. 104

AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who--
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or
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shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

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(a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,

or with any offense punishable by death,

may be tried at any time without limitation.

[don-o]

In other news, "Dog Bites Man."

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

IMUS: You also told Tim that you would sign Form 180 releasing all of your military records. Have you done that?

There's your sign!

[vpintheak]

That Pinko puke will never sign it, never.

[Bonaparte]

"The real question is why they never asked him about this before the election."

They were too busy slandering the President with false allegations. It was a question of priorities, you see.

[johnny7]

I agree. The military keeps records of records... and even might have the old carbon-copies too(humor).

They'd have noted the 'change' if one, or more, were made.

[TomGuy]

Kerry has been dancing around this since April of 2004. He tries to give the impression that all the docs have been released, when actually only those he has requested have been released. Except that he has requested ALL because he has not yet filed Form 180.
+++

Meet the Press Transcript for April 18, 2004
Guest: Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, presidential candidate
NBC News
Updated: 11:47 a.m. ET April 18, 2004


...

MR. RUSSERT: The Boston Globe reports that your commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Grant Hibberd has suggested that you perhaps didn't earn your first Purple Heart and question whether you should have left Vietnam after six months. In order to deal with those kinds of issues, when I asked President Bush about his service in the Texas Guard, he agreed to release all his military records, health records, everything. Would you agree to release all your military records?

SEN. KERRY: I have. I've shown them--they're available to you to come and look at. I think that's a very unfair characterization by that person. I mean, politics is politics. The medical records show that I had shrapnel removed from my arm. We were in combat. We were in a very, very--probably one of the most frightening--if you ask anybody who was with me, the two guys who were with me, was probably the most frightening night that they had that they were in Vietnam and we're...

MR. RUSSERT: But you'll make all your records public.

SEN. KERRY: They are. People can come and see them at headquarters and take a look at them. I'm not going to--but I'll tell you this. I'm proud of my service. I'm proud of what we did. I know what happened. And the Navy 35 years ago made a decision and it's the Navy's decision and I think it was the right decision.

...

MSNBC transcript: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4772030/

The Agonist transcript: http://discuss.agonist.org/yabbse/index.php?board=21;action=display;threadid=18680


The Junior Senator from Massachusetts is still hedging and nuancing.


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SENATOR KERRY ASKED TO SIGN RECORDS RELEASE FORM

Posted by pookie18 On News/Activism 02/03/2005 10:34:44 AM CST · 75 replies · 2,319+ views Judicial Watch ^ | 2/2/05 | Press Release SENATOR KERRY ASKED TO SIGN RECORDS RELEASE FORM Watchdog Asks Kerry to Keep His Word Concerning Signing Standard Form 180 Kerry's Opportunity to Release Full Naval Service Record to the American People (Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today asked Senator John F. Kerry to keep his word to the American public and sign a Standard Form 180 (SF 180), "Request Pertaining to Military Records." On Sunday, January 30, 2005, during an appearance on the NBC News show "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert asked Senator Kerry (three times) if he would...

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

I guess the US Senate just doesn't care about this.

They let a traitor have access to US intelligence reports
BUT not to Hanoi Kerry's FULL military records.

What a bunch of pathetic, excuses for a US Senate!

[granite]

[LarkNeelie]

Now hold on: Am I living in another dimension? My memory may be faulty or I may not have recognized a semantic dodge....'cause I seem to recall Kerry insisting that Form 180 was unnecessary because EVERYTHING in his records had already been released and made available.

[upchuck]

Call 866-876-4490 toll free and leave a message for sKerry. Link.

I did.

[Right Cal Gal]

Thanks for the tip. 'Preciate it!

My guess is there is some nice, career Navy Administrator that has made a complete, unexpurgated copy of Kerry's file and it's sitting in a drawer somewhere. If Kerry even TRIES to sanitize it, said Administrator will pull a "Mary Mapes" on Kerry, only this time, the documents WILL be authentic.

Of course, I also have subscribed to the "conspiracy of the month club" on occasion.

[cedarswingman]

You don't really expect the Senate to do anything about Kerry do You. He will never sign the 180. It would be to much of a "disgrace".

[smonk]

I think he probably did have a less than honorable discharge, and managed to have it changed in the relatively recent past.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Now hold on: Am I living in another dimension? My memory may be faulty or I may not have recognized a semantic dodge....'cause I seem to recall Kerry insisting that Form 180 was unnecessary because EVERYTHING in his records had already been released and made available."


Washington Post 8/21/04

"Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published
Kerry's full military records on their Web site
(with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year),
they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records.
A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information.
A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan,
said he was not authorized to release the full file,
which consists of at least a hundred pages. "