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Did Early Islam Promote Science?
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 12/16/2004 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 12/17/2004 9:42:37 AM PST by bondserv

Did Early Islam Promote Science?    12/16/2004
Nature published a news feature this week crediting a religion, Islam, with advancing science, but saying nothing about the Christian roots of science.1  It begins,

Western science owes much to Islam’s golden age – a debt that is often forgotten.  To help redress the balance, Fuat Sezgin has reconstructed a host of scientific treasures using ancient Arabic texts.  Alison Abbott reports.   (Emphasis added in all quotes.)
Sezgin (professor emeritus on the history of science at the University of Frankfurt) is given very positive press.  His mission is to help Westerners realize that “the Arab world was the guardian of the ancient Greeks’ scientific knowledge during the Middle Ages, before the European Renaissance rediscovered and extended it.”  He has opened a museum in Germany with 800 machines built from descriptions in medieval Arab texts.
1Alison Abbott, “Islamic science: Rebuilding the past,” Nature 432, 794 - 795 (16 December 2004); doi:10.1038/432794a.
For contrasting view, see our online book in progress, The World’s Greatest Creation Scientists. 432, 794 - 795 (16 December 2004); doi:10.1038/432794a.
The history of science is a complex subject involving centuries of political and ideological trends, thousands of players, and multitudes of documents, but two things are clear: true modern science was born in countries that had a Christian world view, and the greatest scientists of the scientific revolution came from a Christian background.  Without slighting the contributions of the Greeks and Arabs, to portray otherwise is to distort history.
    Half truths are deadly because they contain some truth.  It is true that medieval European scholars were in debt to the Arabs for Greek texts, machinery, medicine, mathematics and more.  It is true that Arab scholars made significant advances in medicine, astronomy, and mathematics before the European Reformation and Renaissance.  But it is also true that Islam conquered countries mercilessly with the sword (as it does now) and would have overrun Europe had not the Europeans resisted.  Would their complete domination of Europe ushered in a golden age?  Would the rise of science had been as meteoric under the caliphs as it was under the Reformers?  Why is Nature so quick to praise the religion of Islam, and so silent about the Christian faith of most of the founders of modern science?
    Any scholar, including Sezgin, who brings historical facts to light is deserving of credit.  If he is helping correct some imbalances in the history of science, that is good.  Displaying devices that Arab inventors made, including complex astrolabes, surgical devices, water clocks and anesthetics, is as worthwhile as displaying those made by the Chinese, the Egyptians or the Mayans.  But to suggest that Europe stole science from the Muslims is a distortion.  Despite centuries of opportunity, a true self-sustaining scientific enterprise did not arise in Islamic countries, and Islamic countries today are some of the most scientifically backward of all (see 11/21/2004 headline).
    Science involves not just making inventions but striving to understand the working of the world.  Most cultures, in spite of their religions, have shown skill at architecture and invention, often due to necessity (war, sanitation, healing sickness or injury, providing water supply and food), or for artistic purposes.  All societies, additionally, have innately intelligent or skilled people who can achieve greatness and satisfaction in their works.  But that is not the same thing as science.  Only in Christian Europe did a true scientific revolution take place, largely because Christian philosophers saw nature as a handwork of God that operated under His law.  Abbott mentions many inventions in her article, but not any Arab search after scientific principles; yet she uses the phrase “Islamic science” repeatedly when Islamic technology would be more appropriate.  It is odd that Nature would have so much good to say about the Greeks whose works the Arabs translated, but whose scientific ideas were so often wrong, based not on the scientific method but usually on the reasonings of their fallible minds.  Yet much of Islamic “science” included a slavish devotion to the wisdom of the Greeks, especially Aristotle.  It took a long time for the Europeans to wean themselves off Aristotle and learn by experiment, like the work of Robert Boyle and Johannes Kepler (both devout Bible-believing Christians) that nature operates primarily through God-ordained natural laws.  These scientists, like many other Christians, explored nature not for gain or fame or pragmatism, but sheerly for the joy of discovering the workings of God.
    Abbott grossly whitewashes the Islamic sword of terror.  Notice this sentence: “As the reach of the Islamic world spread, stretching from northern India to Spain, they absorbed as much knowledge as they could from each conquest.”  Listen, people: the Islamic world did not “spread” like soft margarine on a butter knife, with the bread of humanity eager to soak it up.  The knife was a butcher knife, sharp and red with blood.  The caliphs Abbott speaks so well of promoted learning as much for personal fame and national fortune than for understanding.  Here is another whitewash:
In the fifteenth century, the Islamic world shrank under military pressure from western Europe – the last Muslim forces were forced out of Spain in 1492, the year Christopher Columbus reached America.  By this time, the European Renaissance was under way and Islamic knowledge was sucked up by powers on the rise, such as Spain and France.
Oh, those nasty Europeans, with their military and political ambitions trying to suppress the wisdom of the peace-loving Muslims, but taking their knowledge as booty.  Abbott should thank God that the Europeans finally had the guts to oust a religious empire that wanted to take over the world by the sword.
    This is the same religion terrorizing our world today.  Cry about separation of church and state in America?  There is none in Islamic countries.  This is the same religion holding its populace hostage to a seventh-century culture, impoverishing its citizens, denying its women of basic human rights and teaching a distorted history of the world (i.e., Jews were the Nazis, and there is no Israel).  Tell the truth, Nature – the whole truth.  Anthony Flew, the former atheist philosopher (see 12/09/2004 headline), said, “Islam has neither suffered nor enjoyed either a Reformation or an Enlightenment.”  He added, “As for Islam, it is, I think, best described in a Marxian way as the uniting and justifying ideology of Arab imperialism” —
I would never regard Islam with anything but horror and fear because it is fundamentally committed to conquering the world for Islam.  It was because the whole of Palestine was part of the land of Islam that Muslim Arab armies moved in to try to destroy Israel at birth, and why the struggle for the return of the still surviving refugees and their numerous descendents continue to this day.
He also described reading the Quran as “a penance more than a pleasure,” and compared Jesus and Muhammed thus: “for goodness sake, Jesus is an enormously attractive charismatic figure, which the Prophet of Islam most emphatically is not.”  Muhammed was no scientist.  He was a superstitious, impetuous, conceited, philandering, bloodthirsty tyrant.
    Yet Nature seems to be on a new campaign to whitewash the very religion that is responsible for the most terror, the most tyranny, the most genocide and the most unenlightenment in the world today.  Imagine schools of the future slighting or ignoring Newton or Galileo, but paying homage to Avicenna and Muhammed as the fathers of science.  Imagine Christianity and Judaism being ignored or condemned as anti-intellectual.  Visualize the educational laws of the future forbidding the teaching of both atheistic Darwinism and Christian (European/American) science in the science class, but extolling the work of Arab scholars.  Imagine them recounting for students selective horrors committed by Europe and Israel in their conflicts with Muslims, but sweeping under the rug centuries of atrocities committed with the sword of Allah.  Would this be an improvement on the current tyranny of naturalistic science in the schools?  Is this the kind of new politically-correct philosophy of science that Nature will promote after the fall of the current idol, Charles Darwin?  Will Sagan, the popularizer of atheistic science, be eclipsed by Sezgin, the popularizer of Islamic science?  Just when you thought things couldn’t get any worse, you find the devil is clever.


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To: BullDog108
< ahem >

He did say through. Which is accurate. A slick trick by the muslim apologists...

21 posted on 12/17/2004 10:16:12 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: bondserv
The Founding Fathers were mostly Christian but not all. Their ideas about liberty were more eclectic than Christian in particular, despite what your televangelists will say. (Historic revisionism works both ways!) Benjamin Franklin is one of the more notorious Deists, and George Washington supported Thomas Paine after he wrote Age of Reason.
22 posted on 12/17/2004 10:17:48 AM PST by risk
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To: 2wrongs
Zero came from the Mayans

Quite a trick, since the zero was used by the rest of the scientific world for almost a milenium before anyone else knew that Mayans existed.
But thank you for playing.

23 posted on 12/17/2004 10:18:38 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Publius6961
He did say through. Which is accurate.

Though to who? Not me. I received it from the source. ;^)

24 posted on 12/17/2004 10:20:00 AM PST by BullDog108 (Islamists are Insane! http://bvml.org/webmaster/islam.html)
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To: bondserv
"Islam is", Khataw preaches, "a peaceful religion that is focused on charity and goodwill toward others."

~ and ~

"Not to mention that Islam came to save humanity from ignorance and oppression. Islam is not a threat to any society. Islam calls for harmony and peaceful co-existence with other religions. It does not permit aggression, violence, injustice, or oppression. At the same time, it calls to morality, justice, tolerance, and peace."

Ummmm, no; no it's not. I won't go into *what it is*, as I'd probably get in trouble... aw, what the heck:

Islam, The Cult of Murder™.

Islam, The Cult of Terror™.

Islam, The Cult of Boy-Buggering™.

Islam, The Cult of Women-Chattelling™.

Islam, The Cult of Horror™.

Islam, The Cult of Rape™.

Islam, The Cult of Ritual Killing™.

Islam, The Cult of Beheading™.

Islam, The Cult of Deviants™.

Islam, The Cult of Hate™.

Islam, The Cult of Lies™.

Islam, The Cult of Female Mutilation™.

Islam, The Cult of Death™.

Islam, The Cult of Christian & Jew Killing™.

Islam, The Cult of Infidel Murder™.

Islam, The Cult of The Mentally-Ill™.

Islam, the Cult of Evil™.

Islam, the Cult of Poverty™.

Islam, the Cult of Illiteracy™.

Islam, the Religion of Peace™, and THEY'LL KILL YOU TO PROVE IT!

25 posted on 12/17/2004 10:20:18 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: bondserv

The Islamic world acted as the west's library during the dark ages yet did alomst nothing with that knowledge themselves.


26 posted on 12/17/2004 10:21:44 AM PST by JCBurton
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To: bondserv
Excellent book. I had hoped he would do a sequel.

I'm not sure most people (especially in the West) get the devastation caused by the Mongols, especially in TransOxonia.
27 posted on 12/17/2004 10:23:16 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Publius6961
I won't even recognize them as human!

I know some former Muslims who have responded to the Gospel and become Children of God. Many are hungry for the truth. Much of our personal failing lies in the fact that we haven't been persuasive in that area of the world. I believe Bush's main agenda is to change that.

The American people are becoming more fed up with the Liberal influence projecting from our Universities and Hollywood. We must continue to persuade those of the truth, no matter how evil their systems are.

Islam's biggest evil is that it diverts people from the truth by using half truths mixed with outright lies regarding God. Any belief system that is absent the veritably Almighty God of the Old and New Testament's, can only lead to destruction.

Thanks for your comments and I agree evil needs to be despised.

28 posted on 12/17/2004 10:24:50 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Excellent book. I had hoped he would do a sequel.

I am hoping one of his children puts together his manuscripts and completes the sequel. I had read that he was working on it when he died.

I'm not sure most people (especially in the West) get the devastation caused by the Mongol's, especially in TransOxonia.

My wife is from Romania (moved to California when she was 7); so I have had the Romanian perspective on the Mongols, from her Dad and Uncles. The Islamic extremists seem to have adopted many of the Mongols methods.

29 posted on 12/17/2004 10:31:02 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: Centurion2000; 2wrongs; BullDog108
Islam was founded on an earlier religion in the readion, Zoroastrianism, a monotheistic religion that was the state religion of Persia, and dates back to several centuries before Christ. This religion survives in much diminished numbers in India today, but all the historic records of high learning were created in the days when this religion was ascendent. The three wise men, the Magi, traveled from the East bearing gifts, and almost certainly they were of this practice.

The Qu'ran was written by a hothead reactionary, and was the equivalent in its day of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf and Karl Marx's Das Kapital. Like Luddites, the Islamic movement was determined to smash the existing culture and centers of learning, and are at base very anti-intellectual. The Zoroastrianists were driven out, and what few remained in Persia and Mesopotamia expired when the hordes of Genghis Khan swept in out of the east. As is known today, this probably forged for all time the determination of the jihadists of Islam to take no prisoners, the only choice offered is convert or die.

30 posted on 12/17/2004 10:31:39 AM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: bondserv

SURE it does!

The science of making explosives---and detonating them.


31 posted on 12/17/2004 10:31:46 AM PST by fastattacksailor (On the 8th day, G-D created the ZOT--and was well pleased!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I'm not sure most people (especially in the West) get the devastation caused by the Mongols

True. The destruction of the Hordes changed the psyche of Russia, China, Japan and Mesopotamia for ever. Western Europe got off unscathed, but the Caliph of Baghdad got trampled to death by about a thousand horsemen, didn't he?

32 posted on 12/17/2004 10:32:04 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: alloysteel
Another Islamic invention is distilled alcohol.

Beer and wine have been around forever, but it was Islamic chemists who first distilled pure alcohol.

33 posted on 12/17/2004 10:32:12 AM PST by conserv13
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To: bondserv
In the fifteenth century, the Islamic world shrank under military pressure from western Europe – the last Muslim forces were forced out of Spain in 1492, the year Christopher Columbus reached America. By this time, the European Renaissance was under way and Islamic knowledge was sucked up by powers on the rise, such as Spain and France.

This guy has quite a different view of the Islamic world than I do. What of the final conquest of Constantinople during the same time period. Much of Greek science came from them, not the Arabs. In fact, what Greek science the Arabs got, they got from the conquest of the Roman (Byzantine) empire over the centuries.

34 posted on 12/17/2004 10:37:46 AM PST by NathanR (Santiago!)
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To: conserv13

"Al cohol", the spirit of life, is itself a word taken for Arabic. Like "al kali" the ashes, the source of potassium, which has the chemical symbol K (from "kalium", the Latin form of the Arabic word).


35 posted on 12/17/2004 10:43:15 AM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: bondserv

Oh, yes. We have a slanted picture of the middle ages. But once you read Thorndike, it becomes pretty clear.

Take the water mill. The Romans knew about it, but never did anything with it. During the middle ages, the water mill was used to power all sorts of machinery, including most familiarly to grind flour for bread. If you read Homer, you'll find references to 50 slave women grinding bread in the palace, using mortars and pestles. Basically, the water mill made it possible to gradually do away with slavery in the Christian west.

Until the development of the steam engine, the water mill powered all industrial development in the West. We have a 19th century sawmill across the road from us in Vermont which was powered by a water mill, as just one example. Water mills were used in the middle ages to full cloth, make horseshoe nails, and for all sorts of labor saving purposes.

Interestingly, much of this development took place in Cistercian monasteries. Similarly printing appeared at about the same time as the Reformation, but significantly it appeared in a monastery.


36 posted on 12/17/2004 10:46:34 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bondserv
Islam conquered the dirt own by three of the greatest civilization of the ancient world. Hellenistic Greece/Eastern Roman Empire, Perisa and Egypt. They also conquered much of ancient India, another of the worlds great civilizations. The only great civilization that escaped Islamic conquest was China. Now having the benefit of almost the entire learning of the ancient world for many centuries, what did Islam contribute? NOTHING! Not a damn thing. Now what would those civilizations have contributed were they not slaughtered by Islam? We will never know but it sure would be a hell of alot more then NOTHING.
37 posted on 12/17/2004 10:58:58 AM PST by jpsb
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To: sukhoi-30mki

"...The value of zero was first conceived in Ancient India. From there it went to Greece..."

According to "Mathematics for the Millions", the classic historical work by Oxford don Lawrence Hogben, the Greeks knew of the concept of zero, which was a Hindu development, but discounted its logical validity. The Greeks' tremendous mathematical achievements (primarily in Geometry) were thus accomplished using a number system that never included the use of zero in any description or calculation. And the Greeks were the first to use the "stones" in calculating machines. In fact, the term "Calculus" refers to the "stones", as in "hard".

Everything the Arabs claim for themselves was ripped off from the victims of their savagery. Including their bogus claims of scientific contributions.


38 posted on 12/17/2004 11:00:34 AM PST by bowzer313
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To: bondserv

Arabic for some of it, but Persian for some of the best.


39 posted on 12/17/2004 11:03:01 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale

BUMP!


40 posted on 12/17/2004 11:05:16 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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