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School Bus Driver Fired for Stem Cell Talk
Associated Press ^ | 12/2/04

Posted on 12/02/2004 3:56:16 PM PST by reportgirl73

GRAND ISLAND, N.Y. (AP) - An elementary school bus driver was fired after sharing a statistic she had read about embryonic stem cell research with students, then encouraging them to tell their parents about it.

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To: Dianna

Disrupting a family? Dear lady, reserve your sensitivity for the children of families who get bombarded by bizarre lessons planned by brainwashed teachers and approved by frightened administators every day at the place called "a school" and then children parked in front of boob tubes!

Sustain and show support for that citizen who dares to voice her politically incorrect opinions in the face of the obsessed PC crowd who clutch our children in their grips for some many years of their lives.


201 posted on 12/02/2004 10:10:25 PM PST by eleni121 (NO more reaching out!)
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To: eleni121
I have an elementary-age son here. I don't think he even knows what a stem cell is, and even if he or his classmates had enough of an inkling to ask someone about it, the notion that they would choose to approach the substitute bus driver - on their own and unbidden, no less - is...well, faintly ludicrous.

The notion that elementary-age children approached her to ask about stem cells is, frankly, not especially plausible. If she was a classroom teacher, she might make it fly. As the substitute bus driver, she's toast, and you can bank on that. Sorry to disappoint, but this is going nowhere.

202 posted on 12/02/2004 10:13:03 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: The Mayor

Sorry, but I think your wife's actions were totally inappropriate in her job description, and her firing was justifiable.


203 posted on 12/02/2004 10:14:04 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: pete anderson

"Or would you prefer all issues discussed on the school bus be approved by eleni121?"

Oh how you tempt me. ;>)

"Would it be okay for a Muslim School Bus Driver to convert kids..."

How did religion get into this? Fetal stem cell research is hardly a religious issue. Had the driver (or the cafeteria lady or nurse) started in with Buddhist chanting (no matter how lovely the voice), I would assume that the authorities/parents/kids especially would disapprove and quickly dispatch the offender.

As for F/911- I confess it sounds familiar (the 9-11 part) but I am unfamiliar with the F part...enlighten me please!



204 posted on 12/02/2004 10:18:31 PM PST by eleni121 (NO more reaching out!)
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To: general_re

From what I read, the kids ranged in age from 1st to 6th...let's say your son is in first grade...if he heard "stem" he would think flower...and "cell"...he might think phone...but stem cell...to a 12 year old mght make a lot of sense.


205 posted on 12/02/2004 10:22:07 PM PST by eleni121 (NO more reaching out!)
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To: eleni121
The Question is "Do school bus drivers have the right to discuss personal, political or religious issues with the kids on the bus?

If so would you support a driver telling kids that Abortion was a good thing or that the War in Iraq is not good?

206 posted on 12/02/2004 10:23:48 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: eleni121
Disrupting a family? Dear lady, reserve your sensitivity for the children of families who get bombarded by bizarre lessons planned by brainwashed teachers and approved by frightened administators every day at the place called "a school" and then children parked in front of boob tubes!

Yes, I have great concern for those children. I have so much concern, in fact, that I have spent 2 years (one to go) and many thousands of dollars to become a teacher to those children. It infuriates me when I see idiot teachers spouting nonsense to children and I see it often.

It is wrong to teach children things which place them in opposition to their parents. No matter which side you are on.

207 posted on 12/02/2004 10:26:35 PM PST by Dianna
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To: eleni121

He's in the fourth grade, actually, and stem cells just don't come up in casual conversation when you're ten.


208 posted on 12/02/2004 10:27:16 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: sarasmom

I would like to know how this woman had the time to talk to her bus riders about anything at all. If she were doing the job she was paid to do, she should be watching traffic, concentrating on her driving and seeing that children were getting off at the right stop safely.


209 posted on 12/02/2004 10:28:52 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: eleni121; Dianna; general_re
"Disrupting a family? Dear lady, reserve your sensitivity for the children of families who get bombarded by bizarre lessons planned by brainwashed teachers and approved by frightened administrators every day at the place called "a school" and then children parked in front of boob tubes!" (elenil121)

And there in lies the problem. Issues are raised in the classroom all the time, from the Liberal perspective and almost always inappropriately. Either it's wrong for everyone, including most teachers (except for perhaps history and political science teachers and even then both sides of the issue should be taught an discussed), or it's okay for everyone. Teachers are not paid to indoctrinate children either (yet they do); they are paid to teach.

"See, it isn't about educating children. It isn't about supporting parents or families. It's about revenge." (Dianna)

It isn't about revenge, it's about balance and equal time.

Until I begin to see teachers and people on the left reprimanded and or fired for indoctrinating our children, or inappropriately raising political topics which have nothing to do with the subjects they teach, I will refrain from criticizing people on the right when they engage in the same behavior. It' always someone on the right who gets fired for espousing a conservative position. Either it's wrong for everyone or it's wrong for no one.

However, I do agree with general_re that the topic is too complex for elementary age school children, especially those under 12. The children on the bus according to the article were in grades two to five. In response to another comment you made, general_re, the article doesn't say the children brought up the topic, but that they were RECEPTIVE to it.

210 posted on 12/02/2004 11:23:23 PM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: Conservababe
You don't think firing was severe?

If her superiors thought it was inappropriate and or against the rules, a simple reprimand, or warning would have been the fair way to resolve this (given the level of the "offense"), particularly since for two and a half years, she had a perfect record.

211 posted on 12/02/2004 11:31:57 PM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: Dianna

Your accusation is warped and twisted. How could Mrs. Mayor possibly have known, when she introduced the topic to the children on the bus, that events would unfold thusly, eventually affording her airtime and media coverage?


212 posted on 12/02/2004 11:39:36 PM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: The Mayor
You might try the Liberty Legal Institute. They are the ones who quickly stopped the reverse-gender-dressing day recently in a Texas school.

I found their phone number and called them to find out what statute they used to stop it. The man said they used Education Code 26.010.

Their phone number is (972) 423-3131. They are in the Dallas, TX area.

213 posted on 12/03/2004 12:08:00 AM PST by Concerned (RATS can't win unless they LIE, CHEAT and/or STEAL!!!)
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To: DGray
But I see posts on here all the time decrying the leftist indoctrination that many kids are getting in public schools. I think it's very wrong to say that WE can do it, but THEY can't. When we do that, we're not any better than them. A school bus full of elementary-aged children is essentially a captive audience and I think it's hypocritical to applaud this woman for attempting to indoctrinate those kids about anything without parental permission. If even one kid of the average FR'r came home and announced that their school bus driver was telling them how wonderful abortion is, then you would all be screaming bloody murder (and rightly so.) I realize that not being an evangelical (or any other type of) Christian, I am very much in the minority here, but I really don't understand why a substitute bus driver thinks it is her place to do anything more with my kids than to make sure they get to and from school in a safe and timely manner. That's what bus drivers are paid to do, no more and no less.

Bears repeating, thanks. Blackbird.

214 posted on 12/03/2004 12:32:39 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: pete anderson

LOL


215 posted on 12/03/2004 4:17:31 AM PST by OwnershipSociety
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To: verifythentrust

dittos.


216 posted on 12/03/2004 4:22:11 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Your posts calling me gay and a troll had nothing to do with the topic at hand, either. :) But I guess it's OK for you to call people names because you're forgiven. ;)
217 posted on 12/03/2004 5:41:16 AM PST by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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To: OwnershipSociety

Your rant shows you possess little or no self control. If you have children and are not teaching them the truth about the universe, then I hope someone steps forward to do it for you.


218 posted on 12/03/2004 5:42:00 AM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: crazyhorse691

When I was a kid, if Mike the Busdriver said it, there was NO debate, it was the truth and no one argued, let me tell you. :P

*a wee bit of sarcasm*


219 posted on 12/03/2004 5:43:17 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: DGray
There is this segment in society which is comfortable with the conservative label as long as it doesn't extend to morality. They are some of the worst kind of fence riders and appeasers. Their identification with conservatism centers on matters fiscal and is comfortably at home with the milquetoast credo of 'live and let live' when it comes to issues of any lasting consequence.

Those who post opinions on Free Republic of the kind that would be well received on Democratic Underground, are well aware of the consequences and should be adult enough not to feign surprise when attacked. Referring to you as a troll was spot on, however, making light of your sexual preference is none of my business so long as you do not flounce forth from your closet. For calling you a homosexual, I apologize.

220 posted on 12/03/2004 6:15:40 AM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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