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Should Sites be Held Responsible for Iraqi's Death?
R. K. Davis

Posted on 11/17/2004 5:54:52 AM PST by azhenfud

Sould international law be used to charge inbedded reporter Sites with willful neglect because he failed to report to the U.S. Marines crucial information concerning the Iqaqi's prior incident. Sites appears the only one with that knowledge, why should he be considered without blame of the death?

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Admin Moderator, Any place you deem appropriate to classify this post/question is okay, but it's an interesting thought that needs exploring if media personnel is to be held accountable for their actions/inaction.
1 posted on 11/17/2004 5:54:53 AM PST by azhenfud
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To: azhenfud
Rather good point there, azhenfud.

I say frag the sucker, but that's just me.

2 posted on 11/17/2004 5:56:56 AM PST by misharu
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To: azhenfud

Because journalism is about being a spectator. It's not allowed to become a part of the story.


3 posted on 11/17/2004 5:57:09 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Can you fix my obvious misspellings and bail me out?


4 posted on 11/17/2004 5:59:22 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: GraniteStateConservative

True, but upon their approach to the mosque, Sites could have easily said they were there a while ago and the incident may have had a different outcome.


5 posted on 11/17/2004 6:02:27 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: azhenfud
Interesting point. If he really wanted to maintain his "objectivity" and "Neutrality", so to speak, he should not have said anything at all, including the alleged "execution" (which it was NOT).

Sites chose sides when he did not warn the new group of Marines about the enemy within, and chose to let them get surprised, the surprise led to the death of an enemy, such is war. If you are really in need, don't move, or cry out and let the troops be aware.

An enemy who fights without honor does not deserve honor in return; an enemy who gives no quarter, deserves no quarter.

Did the MSM call these animals to task for the beheadings, executions of unarmed Iraqi citizens, soldiers and police? Not really.

Sites must accept blame as well, and do you only get medals when you shoot fleeing, wounded Viet Cong? Or is that another thread?

6 posted on 11/17/2004 6:03:47 AM PST by Former Dodger ("Arafat died today, it's the first thing right the French have done in awhile." - R. Lee Ermey)
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To: azhenfud

Give the details of the prior incident!


7 posted on 11/17/2004 6:03:53 AM PST by liberateUS
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To: azhenfud
The entire incident should be ignored. Sites should be removed from his reporting position and returned home. The marine was doing his duty under some very extreme circumstances -- this was not a crime, but we all know that NBC wants to make it look like one.

If the media really wanted to do a service in reporting, they should also remind everyone of the beheadings, the woman who was dismembered and disemboweled, and show the 40 containers of Sarin gas that has been discovered. Just how many people could have been killed with 40 containers of Sarin, anyway? Would that qualify as WMD?

8 posted on 11/17/2004 6:04:32 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: azhenfud
The system is already investigating the Marine in question - IAW US law and the UCMJ. What exactly the 'UN' hopes to accomplish, other than reinforcing their anti-American image to their own detriment, is beyond me.

It's probably better in the long run that the anti-American, pro-Jihadists are allowed to froth at the mouth at the so-called 'United Nations'. Otherwise, we might forget and start trying to please them again.

I don't worry about it, since there is no such thing as an 'international community'. Just a lot of little countries who don't even notice the hypocrisy of their statements.

9 posted on 11/17/2004 6:04:56 AM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: misharu
"I say frag the sucker..."

From observing other transgressors, when members of FreeRepublic get behind a scolding, fragging him would be letting him off too easy....;-)

10 posted on 11/17/2004 6:07:03 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: struwwelpeter

Media Embed rules in .pdf form:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2003/d20030228pag.pdf


11 posted on 11/17/2004 6:07:06 AM PST by surfatsixty (Proud Father of a USMC Grunt.)
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I just heard a report by Jim Miklaszewski on the Imus show this morning that said that Sites took the video to the Marines before he gave it to the media. When the Marine officers saw it, they immediately pulled that whole unit off duty and began an investigation. Sounds like it was after that that Sites sent the video out. It also sounds like, from the report, that the man who was shot was, in fact, already dead, so the Marine would only be guilty of shooting a dead man.

The report that Miklaszewski gave this morning was very complimentary to the Marines, saying that this was not the typical order of battle, but that war, especially in an urban setting, is a grueling endeavor, and that these men are on a razor's edge all the time and are having to keep a lookout all around them all the time. He also said that the Marines will not just ignore this, but will look at ALL the facts during the investigation.

Don Imus suggested that Sites should have turned off the camera, and Mick was horrified at that. At the least, I don't think Sites should have made that video public; he should have filed a report, but not put the video on air. It only inflamed the Muslims who have been looking for any excuse to give themselves victim status. They always seem to shoot themselves in the foot in that regard, however, because within minutes of the Marine shooting story came the news that Margaret Hassan had been murdered. Of course, that story is lost on the Muslims because they are so incensed by the Marine shooting, but I think it will mitigate the shooting in the minds of Americans because it only cements in our minds the attitudes of those against whom we're fighting.

12 posted on 11/17/2004 6:07:13 AM PST by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we are Americans!!!!)
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What damage has Sites done to the other embeds who try to do their job, but will now be suspect by the units they're with?


13 posted on 11/17/2004 6:09:56 AM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: liberateUS

Hopefully someone will come along and correct this, but essentially, as I understand matters, previous contact between US and insurgent forces resulted in several wounded and dead insurgents. The one killed on tape was one of these left in the mosque for someone else to follow up on and take care of. Prior to this piece, I wasn't aware that Sites knew all about it prior to the arrival of the second batch.


14 posted on 11/17/2004 6:10:37 AM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: azhenfud

Never trust anyone with an 80's surfer haircut to have the US military's interests at heart.


15 posted on 11/17/2004 6:14:11 AM PST by Sam's Army (Enfranchised Voter)
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To: TommyDale
The entire incident should be ignored. Sites should be removed from his reporting position and returned home.

Don't return him here, we don't want him. Send him to france.

16 posted on 11/17/2004 6:19:00 AM PST by McGavin999 (George Soros just learned a very expensive lesson-America can't be bought.)
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To: DK Zimmerman

On Guadalcanal early in WW II after the first big battle between the Japanese and US Marines, medics tryed to help wounded Japnes soldiers. After a series of incidents,like the ones in Fallujah (wounded killing those wh tried to help them with concealed grenades or other weapons); it became standard operating proceedure to finish off anything on the battlefield that was still moving.
There was no outrage then and there should not be any outrage now since in both cases it was the enemy that brought this on themselves. The only difference is that back then new reporting agencies were not clearly on the side of our enemys.


17 posted on 11/17/2004 6:21:01 AM PST by Jonah Johansen
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To: liberateUS

Sorry, sloppy me....

"U.S.Marines were fired upon by snipers and insurgents armed with rocket-propelled grenades from a mosque and an adjacent building. The Marines returned fire with tank shells and machine guns.

They eventually stormed the mosque, killing 10 insurgents and wounding five others, and showing a cache of rifles and grenades for journalists.

The Marines told the pool reporter that the wounded insurgents would be left behind for others to pick up and move to the rear for treatment. But Saturday, another squad of Marines found that the mosque had been reoccupied by insurgents and attacked it again.

Four of the insurgents appeared to have been shot again in Saturday's fighting, and one of them appeared to be dead, according to the pool report. In the video, a Marine was seen noticing that one of the insurgents appeared to be breathing."

If reports are correct, Sites was embedded with the first Marine assault, moved to the second Marine squad in question, then failed to inform the second squad of the first's engagement at the mosque.


18 posted on 11/17/2004 6:21:21 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: liberateUS

Oh, that quote in #18 can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281765/posts


19 posted on 11/17/2004 6:23:54 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: azhenfud
Should Sites be Held Responsible for Iraqi's Death?

Couldn't care less about the Iraqi's death - but I fear this SOB may be responsible for the death of US Marines, if one of them hesitates for even a second to blow away the bad guy because there's some nut with a camera in the room with him.

God, I hope not. Either kick out the peacenicks posing as "journalists", or ignore them and let the chips fall where they may.

I'd rather have a live Marine under investigation...

20 posted on 11/17/2004 6:24:13 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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