Posted on 10/24/2004 12:43:53 PM PDT by blam
"Where do you think the people that were eventually identified as Europeans/Indo-Europeans lived during the Ice Age?"
Offshore from Europe? Offshore from anywhere? Strange, because the reconstructed Indo-European root language has no indigenous word for large bodies of water (instead they have a series of loanwords). That means that the speakers of that root language lived inland at the time they were speaking it, and not on any coast. As they various cousins wandered to the seaside, they borrowed the local words.
The Sumerians also came from elsewhere -- they themselves said from the sea -- and the names of their great cities weren't Sumerian, they'd been named by whomever had lived there before the Sumerians arrived. And they weren't Indo-European. Sumerian is an agglutinative language but has no living relatives. Presumably it once had some, but they never became literate, or at least haven't any known surviving records.
Apparently the Indo-Europeans did indeed come from Central Asia, in various waves, over a period of perhaps 2000 years, with an onset of of about 2000 BC, spreading out at different times into Europe (repeatedly), into the Middle East (repeatedly), and into India.
Neo-conservatism is that old?
I bet it was Red Skeleton.
No, I am mistaken. He was from Indiana.
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent
I have a hunch that the ancestors of the menagerie of "modern man" did not all start at the same place.
(yes...I know...loaded from every angle and soooooo un pc)
Mongoloids are supposed to have evolved around Lake Baikal, Russia.
Central Asia was part of Persian Empire. It used to be called Sogdiana. Until Turks overran it in 6th century AD, Caucasians ruled the region.
It appears that Mongoloids lived mostly on the Eastern half of E. Asia in ancient times.
I just try to put together the pieces that I've read...I'm un-hindered with having a reputation to protect/consider, lol. I'm a retired chip-maker. I will add that the oldest skeleton ever found in Japan is a 13,000 year old Jomon/Ainu man. It looks like there were a lot of Caucasoid types through-out Asia in ancient times. Chinese skeletons only began to show up in the Gansu, China region about 100-200BC, previous to that, they were all Caucasian.
James Chatters, of Kennewick Man fame, said that Kennewick Man came from a stock of people that produced both the Asians and Europeans of today.
I've been wondering about this myself. Do you have any reference you can make on this subject...I'd like to read up on it.
Lol, the Chinese want no part of this.
The original Caucasian mummies were accidently found in an unlighted back room in the Urumchi museum by Dr Victor Mair. Also, the DNA samples taken of the mummies were conviscated just as they were leaving China.
One of the characteristics of these caucasian mummy finds is their remarkable state of presevation -- most likely due to the dessicating nature of the dry Western Chinese environment.
It has been theorized by a few folks -- anthropologists and linguists, in particular, that these people -- caucasoids -- interbred with asian populations -- mongoloids -- resulting in some hybrid features which are still found in mid-to-northern regions of Asia -- i.e., red-headed asian-looking people. Some linguists suggest that this original caucasian population may have been related to those who were the ancestors to the Hungarians and the Finns, who are related both by their languages and their genetics. Among Hungarians, especially, the complex genetic characteristics that lead to redheadedness appear to be common within the population.
Further -- from a linguistics standpoint -- Finno-Ugric is a small language family which includes Hungarian and Finnish, but no other European languages. Finno-Ugric is a separate and distinct language family from Indo-European, which almost every European language is descended from (just about the only exceptions are Basque, Hungarian, and Finnish). No real way to prove the relatedness between the Finno-Ugrics and these ancient Caucasian Chinese, short of recovering some good samples of DNA, but it sure makes for some interesing academic speculaton, doesn't it?
Oh please. You should know as well as I that Chinese culture -- who provided plenty of evidence in art and sculpture regarding their mongoloid features -- has a documented history in excess of 5,000 years.
We are talking about Gansu, not the heart of China. By the way, some of Shang Royal tombs contained Caucasian skeletons.
The origin of Western Zhou and Shang Dynasty may not be what we have thought it to be.
If you had read the thread, you'd have reconized that we have been on this subject since day one.
BTW, Auriel Stein made mention of these mummies in his 1907 book, Ancient Khotan. Not much attention was given because they were not dated and most believed they were fairly recent. The accurate dating and the realization that these burials/mummies were wide-spread through-out the whole region is the reason for the recent excitement.
That is why they will not allow any outside archaeological people into see the tombs.
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