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South Dakota Suspicions
National Review ^ | 07 Nov. 2002 (original publication date) | Byron York

Posted on 10/21/2004 9:17:05 PM PDT by txradioguy

The very last precincts to be counted killed the hopes of GOP Senate candidate John Thune. Was something funny going on?

oday a team of Republican election experts is in South Dakota, looking into the circumstances of Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson's extraordinarily narrow, last-minute victory over Republican candidate John Thune.

While it is certainly possible that there were no significant irregularities involved in the voting, some Republicans are puzzled by the way the vote-counting unfolded. Early Wednesday morning, with 99.65 percent of South Dakota's precincts reporting, Thune held a narrow lead over Johnson. It was only when the last three precincts (out of a total of 844) were counted that Johnson finally edged ahead. What has made some Republicans suspicious is that those final precincts were located in a southwestern county that was in the news for allegations of voting fraud in the weeks leading up to the election.

MINUTE BY MINUTE For most of Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, the election returns looked promising for Thune. At 1:32 A.M. EST on Wednesday, an Associated Press report showed Thune had 134,904 votes to Johnson's 132,648 with 648, or 77 percent, of the state's precincts reporting. At 2.47 A.M., the AP issued another report, this one showing Thune with 153,952 votes to Johnson's 149,789, with 736, or 87 percent, of precincts reporting — a lead of more than 4,000 votes.

At 3:41 A.M., Thune was up 158,331 to 154,602, with 776, or 92 percent, of precincts reporting.

At some point after that, Thune's lead began to shrink. By 6:38 A.M., with 838, or 99.3 percent, of the state's 844 precincts reporting, Thune led Johnson by 166,588 to 165,639 votes. It was close, but Thune was still in the lead by nearly 1,000 votes with just six precincts left to count.

Then the lead narrowed dramatically. By 8:28 A.M., Thune had 166,747 votes to Johnson's 166,559, with 841, or 99.65 percent, of the 844 precincts reporting. Thune was up by just 188 votes with three precincts left to count.

Those last precincts killed Thune's chances to win. At 9:21 A.M., with 843 of 844 precincts reporting, Thune trailed Johnson, 166,707 to 167,252.

Finally, at 10:22 A.M., the last precinct was counted and reported. Thune trailed Johnson 166,954 to 167,481 — a margin of 527 votes. Johnson claimed victory.

It was a stunning finish to a race that was clearly tight but appeared for much of the night to be in Thune's hands. Somewhere in the last five precincts, Thune's Senate hopes disappeared.

QUESTIONABLE PRACTICES The vote counting has attracted the attention of Republicans because the precincts that defeated Thune — the ones that were counted last — were in Shannon County, on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. The county has been the target of intensive get-out-the-vote efforts by Democrats and has reported the largest gain in registrations, 17 percent, of any county in the state. In recent weeks, federal and local authorities have been investigating allegations of fraudulent voting practices related to some of those new voters (along with some in other counties around the state).

In mid-October, the Shannon County auditor said one in ten of the county's new registrations was under investigation for possible irregularities. On October 20, the Sioux Falls Argus Leader reported that, "Auditors in 10 counties, all but one adjoining a reservation, have forwarded questionable registration forms or absentee ballot requests to the sheriff or state's attorney for investigation. Of the nearly 400 questionable documents discovered by the auditors, 338 came from Shannon and Pennington counties, where the two investigations into possible voter fraud are under way."

Shannon County went heavily for Johnson — out of 3,118 votes cast, 2,856, or about 92 percent, went to Johnson, while 248 went to Thune (a third-party candidate received 14 votes). That percentage, in itself, might not be particularly unusual; Native Americans in South Dakota vote heavily Democratic, and Johnson is popular with Native Americans. But one thing that has aroused Republican curiosity is the significant increase in the number of votes cast in Shannon County since the last mid-term election, in 1998, in which Sen. Tom Daschle won reelection.

In 1998, there were just 1,559 votes cast in Shannon (that is precisely half the votes cast this year — a statistical nicety that might signify nothing, but might still catch Republican eyes). Of the 1998 total, 1,228 went to Daschle and 239 went to Republican Ron Schmidt (a third-party candidate won 92 votes).

What some Republicans find interesting about the numbers is that the popular Daschle, who won in a landslide statewide, won just 79 percent of the votes in Shannon County — significantly less than Johnson won this year — while Schmidt, who lost by a huge margin in 1998, received about the same number of votes that the well-known Thune received this year. Even though the total number of voters in Shannon County has gone up dramatically, it appears that virtually none of them chose Thune.

The situation might be completely attributable to get-out-the-vote efforts; 17,000 new voters were signed up statewide in recent months, and Democrats were particularly aggressive in Shannon County and on the state's other Indian reservations. But Republicans signed up new voters, too, and now they want to have a look at the county's voting patterns.

Finally, the GOP wants to know more about the timing of the Shannon County returns. Although nothing is set in stone, some observers say it is not usually the pattern in statewide elections for Shannon County returns to be the last counted. Given the fact that the county provided Johnson's winning margin, and given the earlier allegations of corruption, Republicans want to know why Shannon was so late this time.

WHAT TO DO? At this moment, the South Dakota secretary of state's office is finishing its official canvass of the election. That process in effect rechecks everyone's math and comes up with a final vote total for all the races. It is not designed to uncover voter irregularities.

According to state law, Thune is entitled to ask for a recount. On Wednesday, he released a carefully worded statement that suggested he might choose to do so. "If there is a change in the numbers or evidence of irregularities after the official election canvass, I will look at pursuing the next step in the process, which is a formal recount," Thune said:

However, I do not wish to put the people of South Dakota through this process unless it is absolutely necessary. Therefore, if there is no change in the vote totals or any irregularities after the official canvass, we will pursue no further action and the results will stand...No one would be happier than I to see those numbers change as the process continues. However, if the numbers stand, I am prepared to accept the outcome and know that my supporters and all those who have stood with me during this process will accept the outcome as well.

Speaking publicly later on Wednesday, Thune seemed inclined to let the matter drop after the canvass. At this point, it is simply not clear whether he will ask for a recount or take any other action.

Republicans want to be careful in the course they choose. They have already won the Senate, and they do not want to embroil the party in a long, acrimonious fight over a contest that will not affect the balance of power in Washington. In addition, they do not want to embark on a Democratic-style legal battle if there is no solid evidence of fraud. But at this point, they want to know what happened. The circumstances of Johnson's last-minute comeback look a little odd, and Republicans want to learn the story behind the numbers.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Free Republic; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: South Dakota; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2004elections; bush; cheney; edwards; kerry; thune; timjohnson; votefraud; voterfraud
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Ok...now before anyone tries to have this thread yanked, IMHO this story needs to be told again. We are seeing on a larger scale a repeat of this scam this year.

To me...this story and how the RATS stole this election from Thune...is the EXACT blueprint for what Kerry/Edwards will try to pull this year in the Presidential Election.

1 posted on 10/21/2004 9:17:05 PM PDT by txradioguy
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To: txradioguy

As a South Dakota, I thank you for posting this.


2 posted on 10/21/2004 9:18:14 PM PDT by Sockdologer
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To: Darksheare; writer33; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; A Jovial Cad; doug from upland

Election Fraud Warning PING!


3 posted on 10/21/2004 9:20:29 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!)
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To: Sockdologer

Hey, speaking of Mr. Thune how is he doing against Senator Shocked!...Shocked!


4 posted on 10/21/2004 9:21:44 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!)
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To: txradioguy

I don't think the votes of ANY precincts should be announced until they are all in. It was the same in Florida, the dem precincts are always the last to report.


5 posted on 10/21/2004 9:24:08 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We have planted the seeds of democracy and watered them with our blood, now let freedom reign)
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To: Sockdologer

I'm from Idaho, but gave $200 to Thune. I guess I'll have to give a little more.


6 posted on 10/21/2004 9:24:54 PM PDT by MarkeyD (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com>Maggot</a>)
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To: McGavin999; All

This story has stuck in my head for the last two years. And when I heard that Kerry and the DNC were deploying 6,000 lawyers to ensure "every vote counts" and then when Edie Bernice Johnson called on the U.N. to monitor OUR elections I KNEW the RATS were gonna try a South Dakota on a national level this year.


7 posted on 10/21/2004 9:26:38 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!)
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To: txradioguy

My bet is that a lot of Wounded Knee Vets from the Native American side voted Democrat.


8 posted on 10/21/2004 9:32:11 PM PDT by HP8753 (Bypass Online News Sites Registration>>>> www.bugmenot.com)
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To: txradioguy

Great post! Thanks for the ping!


9 posted on 10/21/2004 9:37:22 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: txradioguy

Im hating rats more every passing day ping


10 posted on 10/21/2004 9:38:33 PM PDT by Mortikhi
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To: txradioguy
If you recall the media tried to give FL to Gore in 2000
VNS was a private consortium owned by
ABC News, The Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC.

4 of the 5 of the networks and cable newsrooms
(only ABC waited till both time zones closed)
"announced" Gore had won
BEFORE the 2nd time zone in FL had closed.
This cost President Bush votes in the FL panhandle.

I was at a friends house and the State of FL election website results showed President Bush was winning

In fact, the networks which called Florida for Gore did so early in the evening—before polls had even closed in the Florida panhandle, which is part of the Central Time Zone. NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:49:40 p.m., Eastern Time. This was 10 minutes before polls closed in the Florida panhandle. Thirty seconds later, CBS called Florida for Gore. And at 7:52 p.m., Fox called Florida for Gore. Moore never lets the audience know that Fox was among the networks which made the error of calling Florida for Gore prematurely. Then at 8:02 p.m., ABC called Florida for Gore. Only ABC had waited until the Florida polls were closed.

About an hour before the polls closed in panhandle Florida,
the networks called the U.S. Senate race in favor of the Democratic candidate.

The premature calls may have cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided;
some last-minute voters on their way to the polling place turned around and went home. Other voters who were waiting in line left the polling place. In Florida, as elsewhere, voters who have arrived at the polling place before closing time often end up voting after closing time, because of long lines. The conventional wisdom of politics is that supporters of the losing candidate are most likely to give up on voting when they hear that their side has already lost. Thus, on election night 1980, when incumbent President Jimmy Carter gave a concession speech while polls were still open on the west coast, the early concession was blamed for costing the Democrats several Congressional seats in the West, such as that of 20-year incumbent James Corman. The fact that all the networks had declared Reagan a landslide winner while west coast voting was still in progress was also blamed for Democratic losses in the West; Congress even held hearings about prohibiting the disclosure of exit polls before voting had ended in the any of the 48 contiguous states.

Even if the premature television calls affected all potential voters equally, the effect was to reduce Republican votes significantly, because the Florida panhandle is a Republican stronghold. Most of Central Time Zone Florida is in the 1st Congressional District, which is known as the "Redneck Riviera." In that district, Bob Dole beat Bill Clinton by 69,000 votes in 1996, even though Clinton won the state by 300,000 votes.

So depress overall turnout in the panhandle,
and you will necessarily depress more Republican than Democratic votes.

A 2001 study by John Lott suggested that the early calls cost Bush at least 7,500 votes,
and perhaps many more.

At 10:00 p.m., which network took the lead in retracting the premature Florida win for Gore?
The first retracting network was CBS, not Fox.

Over four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox projected Bush as the Florida winner,
as did all the other networks by 2:20 a.m.

At 3:59 a.m., CBS took the lead in retracting the Florida call for Bush. All the other networks, including Fox, followed the CBS lead within eight minutes. That the networks arrived at similar conclusions within a short period of time is not surprising, since they were all using the same data from the Voter News Service. (Linda Mason, Kathleen Francovic & Kathleen Hall Jamieson, “CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations” (CBS News, Jan. 2001), pp. 12-25.)


The big 5 media TV and Cable newsrooms are the real threat to the 2004 election.

..."Early on Tuesday, November 7th 2000, TV stations and various media based in Florida reported that Gore has won Florida which was a big surprise for everyone because of strong republican support. Bush's brother Jeb is governor there and Florida usually gives support to the Republicans. Some of them questioned that and during the night CNN showed 52% Bush's lead over 46% for Gore. It is almost impossible to believe that media could have been that blind and biased to report Gore's victory."...



11 posted on 10/21/2004 9:44:36 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (GET OUT THE VOTE NOV 2 ! IF YOUR NEIGHBORS OR RELATIVES NEED A RIDE TO THE POLLS OFFER TO HELP)
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To: txradioguy

Yeah, strong Republican precints should stall and have their votes counted AFTER Shannon county votes are in!


12 posted on 10/21/2004 9:45:29 PM PDT by RushingWater
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To: Mortikhi

BTTT


13 posted on 10/21/2004 9:46:39 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: txradioguy
Federal election observers on reservations should correct the problem this time.

This is what they did in St. Louis in 2002 after the 2000 voting debacle. Thanks to poll-watching, we have Senator Talent!

15 posted on 10/21/2004 10:05:09 PM PDT by MHT
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To: txradioguy
Here are two threads from the wee hours of that election night....

Thune camp "giddy" for GOP Senate win in S.D. -- All but predicting victory now
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/783277/posts?page=63#63

ABC says Thune wins by 188 votes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/783539/posts?page=66#66




...........does anyone know if Shannon County will still be voting this year with stacks of 'IMB cards', hammers, and 'metal punches' ???


16 posted on 10/21/2004 10:13:18 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Papatom

Democrats - "Anything to win!"
Republicans - "Have you seen my testicles?"

I don't get it.


17 posted on 10/21/2004 10:14:18 PM PDT by RockinRight (Bush's rallies look like World Series games. Kerry's rallies look like Little League games.)
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To: MHT

It happens every election in Missouri. The most rural counties somehow manage to report their ballot counts faster than Kansas City and St. Louis. Only after the rest of the state is tallied, do we get the votes from those cities, when they figure out how many they need to come up with.


18 posted on 10/21/2004 10:19:49 PM PDT by knuthom
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To: RockinRight

Republicans are the kids on the playground who always...no matter what...plays by the rules.

Democrats are the schoolyard bullies who'll do whatever whenever to make sure they win at all costs.


19 posted on 10/21/2004 10:21:38 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!)
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To: Papatom

"It's the stupid party forever I guess"

perhaps. many historians believe that nixon beat kennedy, but nixon kept his mouth shut. he decided it best to live to fight another day, i suppose.


20 posted on 10/21/2004 10:24:04 PM PDT by mlocher
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