Posted on 10/20/2004 7:21:03 AM PDT by grace522
Share this with someone who's a Michael Moore fan. From a soldier serving in the U.S.Army in Iraq comes these pinpoint accurate facts. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following. FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year. John F. Kennedy...started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ...liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation. We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!! Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high! The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts. Wait, there's more....................... JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13 Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military. Senator Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?" Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies - in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, an For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he is a Senator! If you can read this, thank a teacher.... If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran. It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating until November....
Add Idea: "Why we fight"
- Camera cuts in to sailor loading bombs on F-18 on an Aircraft Carrier. She says "We fight to defend Liberty and Freedom...
- Camera cuts in to Airforce piolt in F-15. He says "We take the fight to the terrorists so our families are safer at home."
- Camera cuts in to armed soldier escorting voters in Afghanistan. He says "We fight to protect those that can't protect themselves." Pans out to children going to school in Iraq.
- Camera cuts in to Marine in the field. We know why we fight.
- Narrarator - Our soldiers fight to protect all of us, they fight to defend Liberty and Freedom, they fight to protect the very rights of those that would criticize them in battle and for those that would call what they do a mistake. Support our Troops.
"There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January."
35 soldiers per month (and you picked a 'slow' month, I noticed) killed in combat out of 147,000
39 murders in Detroit among a population of nearly 1,000,000
How many Detroit citizens are losing limbs, eyes, major organs or are being partially and totally paralyzed monthly?
The comparisons like yours really bug me because it dismisses the risks and sacrifices being made. I hope that is not you intention.
A terrible cost is being paid and it must honored for what it is.
Context context context
Example
The Ten Costliest Battles of the Civil War
Based on total casualties (killed, wounded, missing, and captured)
#1
Battle of Gettysburg
Date: July 1-3, 1863
Location: Pennsylvania
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: George G. Meade
Confederate Forces Engaged: 75,000
Union Forces Engaged: 82,289
Winner: Union
Casualties: 51,112 (23,049 Union and 28,063 Confederate)
To be effective, you have to leave out the FDR and Truman spin.
When you go to war with one member of an alliance, you go to war with them all (Germany declared war on us shortly after Pearl Harbor). Truman did not start the Korean War, the North Koreans did. At best, you can claim that he failed to effectively "win the peace" by not finishing off the north and nuking pyong yang.
Spinning history is what dems do. When you do the same you discredit your own argument. I agree with your intent, but you can't use arguments easily refuted by anyone familiar with military history.
To follow up, you might want to point out that America has never gone to war with "a plan to win the peace" other than to defeat the enemy on the battle field. In fact, no country that I can recall from all my historical reading has ever gone to war with such a plan in place before going.
The Marshal Plan was developed after the fact. The occupation of Japan was based on the force of MacArthur's personality and that quirk of Japanese culture known as "emperor worship" which allowed Mac to act as emperor and have the populace take his edicts as divine orders.
There was no plan to "win the peace" in Korea and no peace treaty was ever signed by the north, just a cease fire.
Same thing in Vietnam. Plus, Democrats pulled the plug on south Vietnam by refusing to honor our agreement to supply them with the arms and ammunition needed to defend themselves against the North after we left.
"Winning The Peace" is a democrat canard. Furthermore, even if they had developed such a plan before the war, it would have been based on "faulty intelligence" and therefore moot.
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Hal G. Moore: The Legacy and Lessons of an America Warrior
http://war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14752
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