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Am I the only one who feels like Alice in Wonderland during this election? How is it that leftist thought continues to find it's way back into the arena after being so thoroughly discredited so many times? 100,000,000 murdered last century....does this philosophy just need a little tweaking?
1 posted on 10/20/2004 7:21:04 AM PDT by grace522
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To: grace522

Add Idea: "Why we fight"

- Camera cuts in to sailor loading bombs on F-18 on an Aircraft Carrier. She says "We fight to defend Liberty and Freedom...

- Camera cuts in to Airforce piolt in F-15. He says "We take the fight to the terrorists so our families are safer at home."

- Camera cuts in to armed soldier escorting voters in Afghanistan. He says "We fight to protect those that can't protect themselves." Pans out to children going to school in Iraq.

- Camera cuts in to Marine in the field. We know why we fight.

- Narrarator - Our soldiers fight to protect all of us, they fight to defend Liberty and Freedom, they fight to protect the very rights of those that would criticize them in battle and for those that would call what they do a mistake. Support our Troops.


2 posted on 10/20/2004 7:49:55 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Kerry will bring the Big Dig to Washington in the form of Healthcare becasue thats what liberals do)
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To: grace522

"There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January."

35 soldiers per month (and you picked a 'slow' month, I noticed) killed in combat out of 147,000

39 murders in Detroit among a population of nearly 1,000,000

How many Detroit citizens are losing limbs, eyes, major organs or are being partially and totally paralyzed monthly?

The comparisons like yours really bug me because it dismisses the risks and sacrifices being made. I hope that is not you intention.

A terrible cost is being paid and it must honored for what it is.


3 posted on 10/20/2004 7:56:17 AM PDT by metalcor
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To: grace522

To be effective, you have to leave out the FDR and Truman spin.

When you go to war with one member of an alliance, you go to war with them all (Germany declared war on us shortly after Pearl Harbor). Truman did not start the Korean War, the North Koreans did. At best, you can claim that he failed to effectively "win the peace" by not finishing off the north and nuking pyong yang.

Spinning history is what dems do. When you do the same you discredit your own argument. I agree with your intent, but you can't use arguments easily refuted by anyone familiar with military history.


5 posted on 10/20/2004 11:06:32 AM PDT by PsyOp (Any man can make a mistake; only a Democrat keeps making the same one.)
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To: grace522

To follow up, you might want to point out that America has never gone to war with "a plan to win the peace" other than to defeat the enemy on the battle field. In fact, no country that I can recall from all my historical reading has ever gone to war with such a plan in place before going.

The Marshal Plan was developed after the fact. The occupation of Japan was based on the force of MacArthur's personality and that quirk of Japanese culture known as "emperor worship" which allowed Mac to act as emperor and have the populace take his edicts as divine orders.

There was no plan to "win the peace" in Korea and no peace treaty was ever signed by the north, just a cease fire.

Same thing in Vietnam. Plus, Democrats pulled the plug on south Vietnam by refusing to honor our agreement to supply them with the arms and ammunition needed to defend themselves against the North after we left.

"Winning The Peace" is a democrat canard. Furthermore, even if they had developed such a plan before the war, it would have been based on "faulty intelligence" and therefore moot.


6 posted on 10/20/2004 11:15:14 AM PDT by PsyOp (Any man can make a mistake; only a Democrat keeps making the same one.)
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To: grace522


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Hal G. Moore: The Legacy and Lessons of an America Warrior

http://war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14752

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7 posted on 10/20/2004 12:59:50 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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