And Kerry "WON" the debate? Gallup Poll Debate Scorecard

Best of the Web Today - October 1, 2004 ^ | 10/01/04 | By JAMES TARANTO

[MNJohnnie]

Kerry Bush Expressed himself more clearly 60% 32% Had a good understanding of the issues 41% 41% Agreed with you more on the issues you care about 46% 49% Was more believable 45% 50% Was more likable 41% 48% Demonstrated he is tough enough for the job 37% 54%

Gallup Poll post 1st 2004 Election Debate

[MNJohnnie]

And the Mainstream "News" would have you beleive Kerry "won" the debate

[Names Ash Housewares]

Get the word out. Hannity will definatly talk about this.
The MSM is losing its power slowly everyday. And WE are a big part of that!

[Reader of news]

If you read the transcript, you will be that the President told the truth and Kerry said lies and lies and talked about his positions not to win the WOT - global test, fuel for Iran, opposition to the liberation of Iraq, etc. The President explicated the success on the WOT and the correct policies to win the WOT.

[unlearner]

Excellent and encouraging news.

[Veto!]

Significant statistics. the American people are apparently not so easy to fool any more.

[Law is not justice but process]

I followed the link and found this quote from the debate:

Kerry: "The terrorism czar, who has worked for every president since Ronald Reagan, said, 'Invading Iraq in response to 9/11 would be like Franklin Roosevelt invading Mexico in response to Pearl Harbor.'"

And this response from a "blogger identified solely as "Steve" :

"What exactly did Nazi Germany have to do with Pearl Harbor?

Absofreakinglutely nothing.

If you go and read FDR's "Day of Infamy" speech, there is not one single reference to Nazi Germany or a role for America in the war in Europe. Not one. . . .

Yet, within months, FDR decided to pursue a "Europe First" strategy which involved our putting the core of the United States Army into North Africa and then into Europe, on the other side of the planet from the perpetrators of the Pearl Harbor attack in Japan.

Why did he do this? Partly in response to the belief that Nazi Germany was developing a nuclear weapon.

Can you imagine what would have happened to Tom Dewey if he had tried to rip into FDR in the campaign of 1944 on this issue? He would have been crucified, and rightly so."

Surely "Steve" is a FReeper (or should be). That's darn good stuff.

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

The paleomedia had an a priori need to have Kerry win the first debate. The election was all but over unless he did, but the paleomedia needed Kerry back in the race because: (1) they want an interesting news story to sell, and (2) they want Kerry to win. Thus, the paleomedia was going to push the idea that Kerry won hard, even if it was a tie. Only if Bush had knocked Kerry out would they have had a hard time spinning the event as a win for Kerry.

Take a look at the presidential race investment sites (e.g., Iowa Electronic Markets, TradeSports.com)--Bush peaked a couple of days before the debate. He was rising sharply, exponentially. The sharp turnaround can be explained by insiders betting heavily against Bush in the days prior to the debate--just like the Islamofascists in the know bet heavily, on our stock exchanges, against our airlines and insurance companies just prior to 9-11-01. What information could have been available to insiders? Several have speculated on FR that the Kerry campaign could have been provided with the questions before the debate. I think a paleomedia cabal conspiring to spin the debate as a Kerry win could easily have caused the sudden pre-debate breakdown in Bush shares.

[waldorf]

It's easy to "win" a debate if you're not confined by the truth. If you can say ANYTHING, you can sound good doing it.

[MNJohnnie]

"paleomedia"
What a BRILLENT term for them!!!!!

[ApplegateRanch]

And this response from a "blogger identified solely as "Steve" :

"What exactly did Nazi Germany have to do with Pearl Harbor?

I am SO SICK of this chestnut.

Of course, the answer is, 'Nothing!'.

HOWEVER: After we declared war upon Japan, December 8, 1941, Germany responded by declaring war upon the United States, December 11, 1941; to which, the United States THEN declared war upon Germany and Italy.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Pyrrhic Victory - When the cost of the victory is too high.

Kerry won all the battles, but lost the war.

If you really think about it, Kerry has been doing everything he could to make it harder to be an ally of the Bush Administration, even unto sending his sister to Australia to campaign for the defeat of the administration which sent troops to Iraq to help us.

This is in perfect alignment with the Johnson Administration's (perhaps unintentional but nevertheless devastating) demonstration of how America was capable of losing a war.

Carter had his hostage crisis rescue debacle in Iran, and Clinton had his Black Hawk Down Mogadishu debacle. Both took them lying down - a perfect way to demoralize the US armed forces.

John Kerry has a perfect record of blaming Republicans for the fact that he and all other prominent Democrats preferred that the US armed forces not be respected too much. Kerry has a secret plan, all right - it's right there in plain sight. If elected he will assure that the Iraq mission fails, and will blame George W. Bush for his own bugout strategy.

[ApplegateRanch]

I should add, I am not ticked at you; and the response is also excellent in your post.

I am just sick of seeing people of a certain isolationist persuasion use that "argument" for staying out of Iraq, among other things.

The Germans were the technological threat, alright; the Japs only had the brutality, cunning, and fanaticism of their God-Emperor religion. (Sound familiar in anyway to our current WOT?)

Actually, another reason we did not immediately start major offensive operations against Japan was the disparity between our Atlantic and Pacific fleets after Pearl Harbor, and a lack of any convenient area like North Africa to 'stockpile' troops and equipment in the Pacific Theater until we could regain sea superiority.

In these days of global air capabilities, too many of the whippersnappers (again, not calling YOU names!) just don't realize how short the range, and limited the payloads, of early WWII aircraft were...and that in-air refueling came later, also.

The Pacific started out as a defensive war, while in the Atlantic, it began as an offensive war.

[MNJohnnie]

Of course your sick of it because it illustrates the absurdity of Kerry, and the Anti-American Left's, position on Iraq.

And Kerry "WON" the debate? Gallup Poll Debate Scorecard
Best of the Web Today - October 1, 2004 ^ | 10/01/04 | By JAMES TARANTO


Posted on 10/02/2004 4:12:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie


Kerry Bush Expressed himself more clearly 60% 32% Had a good understanding of the issues 41% 41% Agreed with you more on the issues you care about 46% 49% Was more believable 45% 50% Was more likable 41% 48% Demonstrated he is tough enough for the job 37% 54%

Gallup Poll post 1st 2004 Election Debate


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