[marron]

Doesn't that just tell us that there was a strong Celtic presence in pre-Roman Iberia?

The folk music and dance of Northern Spain is Celtic all the way.

[Servant of the 9]

1. Irish legend always claimed they had immigrated from Spain.

2. Until the Germanic invasions starting in the first century BC, Spain was a Celtic country, as was Gaul.

SO9

[blam]

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[muawiyah]

The Three Brothers left Carvajal about 700 BC to invade the island that came to be known as Scota.

It's called Ireland today since the Scotians moved Scota to Scotland about 900 AD.

This is not a new discovery ~ rather, it's an admission that the ancient archives kept in Carvajal were correct.

Now, moving backwards, the leadership elite of the Western Celtic culture arrived in Iberia from the Black Sea several hundred years earlier than this according to the ancient stories.

[Mikey_1962]

Well the Scots ARE Irish and the music from Cape Bretton and Gaelic are the same. OHH by the way the Irish Celts gave the bagpipe to the Scots....evidently they did not get the joke

[davisfh]

"There is a received wisdom that the origin of the people of these islands lie in invasions or migrations..."

Could it be that what was meant here was a "perceived wisdom" and not a "received wisdom." Just wondering.

[Question_Assumptions]

Given that "Celtic" is defined by the language they speak, this really isn't all that surprising. I'm sure that many speakers of Indo-European languages aren't that genetically related to the original "Indo-Europeans" of the Caspian Sea region. The language and the culture spread far and wide, probably via a conquering ruling class, but they mixed extensively with the locals.

[JimSEA]

What does this do to the Mummies of Tarin and the fabric similarities with the Scots, etc??

[Redleg Duke]

This "Boffin" needs a Claymore Enema!

[VOA]

The study showed people in Celtic areas: Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Brittany
and Cornwall, had strong genetic ties, but that this heritage had more in common
with people from the Iberian peninsula.

Finally I understand my Welsh heritage and lust for Tex-Mex food!

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[Happygal]

That's okay.

I'd sooner have something in common with the Spanish, than the French and Germans! ;-)

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Blam.

marron -- Doesn't that just tell us that there was a strong Celtic presence in pre-Roman Iberia?

Servant of the 9 -- Until the Germanic invasions starting in the first century BC, Spain was a Celtic country, as was Gaul.

spot on!

Mikey_1962 -- the Irish Celts gave the bagpipe to the Scots....evidently they did not get the joke

;') The pipes used to be found all over the Isles of the Mighty. Another survivor are the Northumbrian smallpipes.

Question_Assumptions -- Given that "Celtic" is defined by the language they speak, this really isn't all that surprising. I'm sure that many speakers of Indo-European languages aren't that genetically related to the original "Indo-Europeans" of the Caspian Sea region.

Quite agree, and would add that most genetic studies are hogwash. Fertile lines have exactly 46 lines of descent, weaving their way back through the past like the Caduceus.

Redleg Duke -- This "Boffin" needs a Claymore Enema!

:'D And he'd only need one! ;')

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[Fedora]

This argument pivots on how one defines "Celts", which is a debated topic, as I've mentioned on other threads. An important book which presents one side of the argument in this debate is:

Peter S. Wells, Beyond Celts, Germans, and Scythians: Archaeology and Identity in Iron Age Europe

[razorback-bert]

Does this mean, I get reparations?

[nickcarraway]

ping

[norton]

Since the original article essentially agrees with what I'd inferred over the years; OK, so what?

European history equals Celtic migrations, times, patterns, names, etc.

As to the British Isles, I'm more interested in what was it like there and who was dislodged by the Iberian Celts and those who followed?

[Porterville]

That's great that they aren't decsended from frogs... but from strong races of man.... makes me proud... Scott-Spanish blood.

[capitan_refugio]

"Irish, Scots and Welsh not Celts - scientists"

In the words of my ancestors, "Scientists: Pog mo thoin!"