Posted on 09/07/2004 12:47:31 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
Serbian Education Minister Ljiljana Colic has ordered schools to stop teaching children the theory of evolution for this year, and to resume teaching it in future only if it shares equal billing with creationism.
The move has shocked educators and textbook editors in the formerly communist state, where religion was kept out of education and politics and was only recently allowed to enter the classroom.
“(Darwinism) is a theory as dogmatic as the one which says God created the first man,” Colic told the daily Glas Javnosti.
Colic, an Orthdox Christian, ordered that evolution theory be dropped from this year’s biology course for 14- and 15-year-olds in the final grade of primary school. As of next year, both creationism and evolution will be taught, she said.
Creationism teaches that a supernatural being created man and the universe. Most scientists regard “creation science” as religious dogma, not empirical science.
[Snip here, because I don't know if we can reproduce all of this material.]
Belgrade University biology lecturer Nikola Tucic called the education minister’s ruling a “disaster.”
“This is outrageous ... We are slowly turning into a theocratic state and in the 21st century we are going back to the Book of Revelations,” Tucic told Glas Javnosti, referring to the final section of the Christian Bible.
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Lecturer Tucic suspected Colic’s order was a move by Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica to bolster his conservative party’s flagging political strength by winning church support.
“This was a political decision which clearly shows the church is not minding its own business, but is deep into politics,” he said.
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Both are examples of junk science. Communism in fact is a materialist doctrine which pretty much has to start with evolution or something altogether like evolution. You can't really derive communism from Christianity logically.
You'd be surprised:
The Plymouth Experiment.
BIBLE COMMUNISM: PAMPHLET BY NOYES PUBLISHED FEBRUARY 1849.
Oneida Association: Bible Communism.
The ALS-sycophants never wise up.
They're kinda quiet. Wonder what spooked them?
Note that the Keplerian system fails in a geocentric system.
Well, the Communists (at least the Stalinists) were violently anti Darwin; to the point of executing a number of biologists. That would be the main relationship.
> The Christian man Galileo proposed something that the heirarchy couldn't reconcile with what they'd learned from Aristotle/Augustine, and the leadership of the Roman Catholic church sought to silence him.
Huh. Sounds familiar. Replace "Galileo" with "Darwin" and "Roman Catholic Church" with "Christian fundamentalists," and you're there.
> Observed, hm?
You betcha. Observed in the fossil record, observed in the natural world via ongoing speciation. Compare that with Creationism, which is observed only in the imagination.
Thanks for the ping!
> You seemed to have dropped your dialog with me...
And you are...?
> I ask you, without the Scripture, does not Creationism become a non-issue?
Nope. Ask the Muslims. Ask the Raelians. Hell, ask the Asatruar, the Hindus, the ancient Greeks and Egyptians. If you want to argue that the universe was popped into being with humans fully formed by some god or other, first you have to demonstrate the supernatural origin... AND THEN prove which god did it.
Again, we're back to you not being able to prove that the universe was not sneezed out the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure.
There are many things I'd like to respond to, most having to do with this absurd notion you've got that once you become a Christian, you're no longer qualified to speak on a scientific level about what the Lord has created. And this notion you have that all scientific evidence supports Evolution and contradicts Creation as described in Scripture.
But I want to comment on this statement you made that I quoted above.
Christians should be in wonder when they consider what God has done. We should be fascinated by the intricacy and beauty and functionality and depth of what he's created. That wonder can express itself as "wow" or "ooh", but it can also express itself as a drive to further explore His creation. Science is a wonderful way to further explore what God has created. It's a logical expression of our sense of wonder at what He's done.
And so to say that Christians should shut up and stay in their little box is just so wrong-headed as to be ridiculous. Little "narby" is telling Galileo to shut up about the world around him and sing a little chorus instead.
You're in need of a worldview shift if you think that Christians have no right to explore the wonder of creation in a scientific way.
> Quite a coincidence, all you guys gathered together here. Kinda like a reunion.
Convergent evolution, perhaps?
And Theo has been registered since? ...
Your comments are like Michael Moore's most recent movie -- taking my posting entirely out of context, and adding some irrelevant commentary to it. I'm really not sure what you're adding to what I'd commented on, other than to try to kick some sand in my face, metaphorically speaking.
Under Orthodox Christian blending of theology and science the story of Eve being created from Adam's rib can be seen as God describing asexual mitosis for example. If I understand the dogma correctly.
Leapfrog wrote:
The Bible is a "bloody mess"?
How about the first four books of the New Testament? Is the Gospel a "bloody mess"?
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