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Tech Central Station ^ | 08/20/2004 | Tom Goeller

[Calusa]

However, the consequences of such a significant troop withdrawal have a couple of downsides, too, most of all for the Germans. One mostly overlooked but important side effect is the departure of the US troops themselves. With their visible presence of African-Americans and immigrants from Asia and Latin America, they enriched the German shopping malls and restaurants, representing a multi-ethnic society. If they are gone, German society will lose a bit of color, so to speak. This step will play into the hands of right wing xenophobes whose aim is to purify the German nation. Here, by accident, the goal of the Neo-Nazis and the one of the German socialists coincides.

[Calusa]

Does anybody else find it outrageous that we, of all Nations,have taken upon it ourselves to intervene in the affairs of other sovrereign states to the point that we feel we have even the right to dictate what should be the optimal ethnic mix of their societies.

[TheBigB]

Buh-bye!

[Tijeras_Slim]

[saveliberty]

No good deed goes unpunished.

The ugly American was written many years ago and yet still foretold that big government donations to other countries was bad PR and that more effective programs were small and cheap.

But no. The raging liberal hysteria in the US during the 70s mandated a big check to pay other people to make them go away and like us.

This is the same principle as domestic programs. Why deal with the problem and solve it for less money when you can squander a lot of cash on a big named program to do nothing and undermine those who are less fortunate? There is a bonus if you can make those less fortunate hate those who are fortunate.

[4mycountry]

[donozark]

Intervene in their societies? My Presbyterian ass! Ever heard of World War-2? The Cold War? In layman's terms, we were their to keep the Russians out, the Germans down, and us in. After all, we had been forced to send America's sons to fight and die TWICE last century in European Wars.

We held the line. Maintained a 300K man Army in Europe, even when we had 500K men in Vietnam! I spent time at the Fulda Gap. Doubt if you've even heard of it...

[Skooz]

How, exactly, have we "taken upon it ourselves to intervene in the affairs of other sovrereign states to the point that we feel we have even the right to dictate what should be the optimal ethnic mix of their societies.???"

Be specific. Cite examples.

[bad company]

Scourge, this one is right up your alley, I think.

[sneakers]

I didn't see any of those other countries complaining when we went in to save their behinds. We have paid with the blood of OUR AMERICAN soldiers. And, if you are talking about the growing population of muslims in other countries then, yes, we have a right to be concerned. It's not the fact that they are muslim that is worrisome, it is their evil religion and the fact that THEY want to force THEIR lifestyle on everybody else. Those non-muslim countries that have growing muslim populations SHOULD be worried.

Why don't you figure out who the REAL bad guys are? (Hint: it's not the US!)

[Darksheare]

Umm.. okay..
And who will do what is needed to keep terrorists inline?

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

We held the line. Maintained a 300K man Army in Europe, even when we had 500K men in Vietnam! I spent time at the Fulda Gap. Doubt if you've even heard of it...

Is that the place all you guys in Armor were going to get killed while those of us in Pershing blew the hell out of the Warsaw Pact? ;-)

[donozark]

And my "friends" in EOD mined the bridges across the Rhine so we couldn't retreat? You betcha!

But now the only guard tower (at Fulda Gap)functions as part of a museum. As does the barbed wire. Job well-done, I'd say...Bring 'em home!

[azhenfud]

"One mostly overlooked but important side effect.."

One could argue there's a reason for the "overlooked" to be overlooked - maybe the priority of the "important side effect" is only elevated in the writer's mind...

[Conspiracy Guy]

Explain yourself better or face doom.

[An.American.Expatriate]

Uh, right . . .

can you please show me where in the article you posted, your claim of "the right to dictate what should be the optimal ethnic mix of their societies" can be found??

And, even if we DID "dictate" the ethnic mix, what OTHER country could even remotely claim to have such a right if NOT the US.

Oh, and Welcome to FreeRepublic.

[Calusa]

they enriched the German shopping malls and restaurants,
Restaurant diplomacy: did you see the Am Werewolf in Paris restaurant scene. Let's offer up our lives to save the world for bad table manners. Sorry. I stand ostracized.

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

And my "friends" in EOD mined the bridges across the Rhine so we couldn't retreat? You betcha!

LOL! You will understand this then. I was shooting against some Germans and US Air Force at Sigmaringen in SW (West) Germany in 72 or 73. I found out the Air Force guys were from a unit that buzzed our missiles every afternoon. I asked them why the hell they did it, as it drove our commo people nuts. They said we were their primary target so the Russians wouldn't capture any of the nukes we couldn't fire before we were overrun!

Since then I always thought of the US Air Force as a bigger danger to the Army than the Russians! ;-)

[Little Ray]

I was in the 11ACR. I served with the 2/11 at Bad K and regimental HQ at Fulda. D@mn straight I know where the Fulda Gap is!

[Calusa]

The Pershings won the cold war, canned the Soviet Union, and exposed the total innanity of the worldwide perennial lefty protest life style/ personality disorder. We owe you for that, and to Reagan who put you and the missles there. And now we're done.

[donozark]

A most unpleasant spectacle. Glad it never came to that. Those of us east of Rhine River and those in particular that were near the Iron Curtain, were essentially "speed-bumps." Unmatched in man-power, arty, and tanks. But we won the peace...

[Darksheare]

Oh, so a MOVIE is real life?
Okay..

[Darksheare]

No, we aren't done yet.

[MrJingles]

Oh, Yeah!!!

[Darksheare]

"And now we're done."

9/11/2001, yeah right we're done keeping the peace.
Try again!
We are FAR from done.

[4CJ]

Poster no. 161016, this wasn't a great way to start your day. Wheaties would have been better.

[Calusa]

I for one do know the difference between movies and reality. What I'm talking about is Cultural Imperialism. It's a nasty little habit that spans the whole spectrum of our society. We use our client states as guinea pigs to experiment on and to showcase with no risk to us some of our more extreme social engineering.

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

The Pershings won the cold war, canned the Soviet Union, and exposed the total innanity of the worldwide perennial lefty protest life style/ personality disorder. We owe you for that, and to Reagan who put you and the missles there. And now we're done.

Well Thanks, but a couple of corrections if you don't mind. We (Pershing) didn't win the cold war. We were a part of it but so were thousands (millions) of our brothers who were ground ponders, artillery, armor, and even a few marines, navy and air force.

President Reagan sent the third generation of Pershing to Europe, his administration did not dream it up. President Nixon was in office while I was there and I believe Johnson was there when Pershing first went to Germany.

[Darksheare]

Then maybe you should worry more about the CULTURAL IMPERIALISM of the MUSLIMS if you're so worried about the cultural purity of PARIS.

[Skooz]

I for one do know the difference between movies and reality. What I'm talking about is Cultural Imperialism. It's a nasty little habit that spans the whole spectrum of our society. We use our client states as guinea pigs to experiment on and to showcase with no risk to us some of our more extreme social engineering.

Again, generalities with no specifics or examples.

You would have failed Dr. Finley's freshman History course.

[Darksheare]

They honestly seem to think that the world's ills are due to the evil US imperialism.
*cue Star Wars 'Imperial March'*

They don't understand the power of the dark side.
/ joke.

[Calusa]

Look I'm an immigrant from Colombia. I saw how the degenerates started the drug trade. Then the right started the war on drugs. The battlefield and the casualties were not our American homeland. Is there a better way? It's okay when the ravages of our little ethical disputes are sorted out in some sterile petri dish. But, cruise ships won't stop at my birthplace of Cartagena anymore, too dangerous. So let's light up another one.

[quadrant]

United States troops are in Germany to protect Western Europe from the Soviet Union, which is a threat that no
longer exists. US troops are not in Germany to provide the Germans with a multicultural experience.
There is no doubt that extremists groups from the right side of the political spectrum will cause trouble, but this is a police matter. Besides, the idea that the Fat Hen could morph into a Fourth Reich is preposterous.

[4CJ]

It's okay when the ravages of our little ethical disputes are sorted out in some sterile petri dish.

Sorry to hear about your former homeland. I am not an interventionist, nor an isolationist. Those little ethical disputes affect all of us - my neighbors (our neigborhood is 90% military) are the ones being deployed and TDY to those "petri dishes". Some were stationed in Germany, and our departure is not "the right to dictate what should be the optimal ethnic mix of their societies". On one hand it seems you complain about us being there, and then about the results of us leaving.

[tiamat]

Personally, I think the world could USE a little "Pax Americana", especially in places where they send their children in suicide rigs to blow up school-buses.

Or where they industrialize terrorist training and then EXPORT it.

Or simply make death and nihilism a way of life.

Makes me want to air-drop Nikes and Game Boys in some places.

Give them something BETTER to do.

Sometimes, Rome was RIGHT.

[Zavien Doombringer]

Hey Newbie!

[mhking]

Moron.

[Darksheare]

Check out their post 26.
They whine about supposed US Cultural Imperialism..

[Zavien Doombringer]

I know...that's why I deploy the "ZOT".

It's incredible how the people are two sided, they want the american dollar, but want Americans out of thier country...I don't get it.

[tiamat]

Good Morning, Darkesheare!

Shall we ping the list?

I'll get teh harpies if you get the rest....

[JoeSixPack1]

Makes me want to air-drop Nikes and Game Boys in some places.

Basketballs & monopoly sets!! :-)

[Petronski]

[Darksheare]

Yeah, "American go home! But leave your money!!"
Gotta love that viewpoint..

[tiamat]

Troll alert!

( Harpy ping! )

:-)

[Zavien Doombringer]

Does anybody else find it outrageous

No, but we have outrageous French Accents, you ninny...

[tiamat]

oeSixPack1 wrote:

Makes me want to air-drop Nikes and Game Boys in some places.

Basketballs & monopoly sets!! :-)

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That's good, too!

[Darksheare]

Morning Tia.
Bring anyone I missed.
This guy is really.. well.. they'll see.
Especially his post 26..

[Calusa]

If it wasn't for a disability I would have served in VN. I know you can't prove a what if.

And if conquer we must
When the cause it is just....

I'm talking about atmospherics here, we can't help,but wield enormous power. Theoretically, the military is only an instrument of the civilian leadership. But, that leadership in great crisis. And doing a 180 every four years is very destabilizing to a world every day more intricately interconnected. We trivilize this by injecting paltry and insignificant internal issues into the global dialog. And that even more reduces our ability to intervene when it's really important.

[Darksheare]

Ping to #26..

[tiamat]

Hey Lads!

We got a live one here!

And it's hanging around to debate a little !

[Zavien Doombringer]

Theoretically, the military is only an instrument of the civilian leadership.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHA

Zot! Did you feel that?