Posted on 07/12/2004 12:27:42 PM PDT by BJungNan
Beneath the Hoods Many of the tortured at Abu Ghraib were common criminals, not terrorists
July 19 issue - What if the FBI had tortured Zacarias Moussaoui, the would-be 20th hijacker, into revealing the plot to destroy the World Trade Center in time to stop it? Who could blame it? These were not people playing by any rules of civilized warfare, and nor are terrorists in Iraq. At Abu Ghraib, military-intelligence officers were concerned about the poor "product" they were getting from prisoner interrogations, and they pressured the military-police guards there to "soften up" their charges between sessions. That, at least, is the defense of the six MPs now facing charges in the scandal. So why did Cpl. Charles Graner Jr. order a young woman to pull her shirt up to her neck? She was an accused prostitute. MPs allegedly ordered Hussein Mohsen Matar to masturbate, and rode on his naked back as he crawled on all fours. He was an accused thief. Haqi Ismail Abdul-Hamid, famously menaced by a snarling dog, had at least kicked an Iraqi policemen and threatened to kill Coalition soldiers. But he was ordered released as a mental case. Not only did military police torture prisoners at Abu Ghraib, they often tortured the wrong prisoners.
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Just another MSNBC headline, spun just for the two johns.
MSNBC folks like to talk about these things.
I don't believe their statement is correct. My recollection is that the abuse occurred on a select cellblock containing essentially terrorists that the CIA wished to interrogate to gather info from. I guess they could have included common criminals as well but the point is these prisoners were special and we were looking for info from them. So the article's characterization that they were all common criminals is incorrect.
They also completely ignore the real torture that took place at that prison. Did MSNBC every cover it in any of their reporting? Much evidence including accounts by living victims. Wish I knew how to search MSNBC to see how much of the real torture they have reported.
MSNBC and Sissy Matthews do not have anything else to talk about. It's pathetic! I wish someone would put HIS own panties on his head or maybe they can use Whoopi Goldberg's!
In San Francisco they probably pay for the opportunity to crawl around with a dog collar and leash, get ridden like a horse and pile up nekkid. Stop rewarding those terrorists / criminals!
It was "hazing." "Torture" is having to watch MSNBC.
This is Matthew Sheppard all over again. 2 hicks beating a gay man to death is somehow indicative of a national homophobic hysteria. Now, the irresponsibility and juvenile actions of a handful of MPs are somehow representative of the conduct of hundreds of thousands of honorable American troops. This makes me sick.
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They're Back! Maybe I'll be lucky enough to wear panties on my head tonight.
Oh, the torture.
Must be a slow news day. I suppose we'll soon be hearing about John Kerry's adventures in Vietnam.
I don't even consider these pictures mistreatment. I call them INTIMIDATION of prisoners.
When a guard wants to gain control over unruly, agitated prisoners, the simplest way is to make them strip. It's an intimidation factor and it's been used for hundreds of years.
I have already written a strongly worded email to MSNBC and explained to them that videos of fingers being cut off - with blood spurting and the person so much in shock they simply fall over .. a man having his arm broken with the use of a huge sledge hammer - and listening to the man scream in pain .. THAT'S TORTURE!
Putting woman's panties on the males heads and making them strip is NOT TORTURE .. it's INTIMIDATION.
There are lots of Democrats enjoying the same "tortures" every day and night in their private moments with their "partners".
Aw gee whizz and Unkie saddam would've just run em through the shredder, like on FARGO, boy those us troops sure were being mean to those prisoners...NOT
I'm hoping that when the new editions of all the major dictionaries are published, they include the new and updated definition of the word "torture". It used to be that when I heard that somebody had been tortured, I'd envision that person having been subjected to prolonged excrutiating pain or having body parts cut off or disfigured. But from now on, when I hear that somebody had been tortured, I'll wonder if it was the old fashioned type of torture or the new-fangled "panties on the head" type of torture.
More specifically, "torture" is having to watch Keith Olbermann.
(Is he still with PMSNBC?)
tor·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tôrchr) n.
1). Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
2). An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.
3). Something causing severe pain or anguish.
4). Having panties placed over ones head.
tr.v. tor·tured, tor·tur·ing, tor·tures
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