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MSNBC Calls U.S. Treatment of Prisoners at Abu Grhaib 'Torture'
MSNBC ^ | July 12, 2004 | Julie Scelfo and Rod Nordland

Posted on 07/12/2004 12:27:42 PM PDT by BJungNan

Beneath the Hoods Many of the tortured at Abu Ghraib were common criminals, not terrorists

July 19 issue - What if the FBI had tortured Zacarias Moussaoui, the would-be 20th hijacker, into revealing the plot to destroy the World Trade Center in time to stop it? Who could blame it? These were not people playing by any rules of civilized warfare, and nor are terrorists in Iraq. At Abu Ghraib, military-intelligence officers were concerned about the poor "product" they were getting from prisoner interrogations, and they pressured the military-police guards there to "soften up" their charges between sessions. That, at least, is the defense of the six MPs now facing charges in the scandal. So why did Cpl. Charles Graner Jr. order a young woman to pull her shirt up to her neck? She was an accused prostitute. MPs allegedly ordered Hussein Mohsen Matar to masturbate, and rode on his naked back as he crawled on all fours. He was an accused thief. Haqi Ismail Abdul-Hamid, famously menaced by a snarling dog, had at least kicked an Iraqi policemen and threatened to kill Coalition soldiers. But he was ordered released as a mental case. Not only did military police torture prisoners at Abu Ghraib, they often tortured the wrong prisoners.

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The subject of the story is that those mistreated at Abu Ghraib were not terrorist but common criminals. The way the headline is writen makes it seem as a given and universally accepted that the prisoners there and under U.S. control were tortured.
1 posted on 07/12/2004 12:27:43 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan

Just another MSNBC headline, spun just for the two johns.


2 posted on 07/12/2004 12:32:43 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: BJungNan

MSNBC folks like to talk about these things.


3 posted on 07/12/2004 12:35:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BJungNan

I don't believe their statement is correct. My recollection is that the abuse occurred on a select cellblock containing essentially terrorists that the CIA wished to interrogate to gather info from. I guess they could have included common criminals as well but the point is these prisoners were special and we were looking for info from them. So the article's characterization that they were all common criminals is incorrect.


4 posted on 07/12/2004 12:35:40 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

They also completely ignore the real torture that took place at that prison. Did MSNBC every cover it in any of their reporting? Much evidence including accounts by living victims. Wish I knew how to search MSNBC to see how much of the real torture they have reported.


5 posted on 07/12/2004 12:38:09 PM PDT by BJungNan (Kerry = No1 Liberal, Edwards = No 4 Liberal)
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To: muawiyah

MSNBC and Sissy Matthews do not have anything else to talk about. It's pathetic! I wish someone would put HIS own panties on his head or maybe they can use Whoopi Goldberg's!


6 posted on 07/12/2004 12:39:00 PM PDT by Gypssy (Smart, Womanly & Conversative! :-)~~~)
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To: BJungNan

In San Francisco they probably pay for the opportunity to crawl around with a dog collar and leash, get ridden like a horse and pile up nekkid. Stop rewarding those terrorists / criminals!


7 posted on 07/12/2004 12:46:05 PM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: BJungNan

It was "hazing." "Torture" is having to watch MSNBC.


8 posted on 07/12/2004 12:51:05 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well.....there you go again.")
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To: BJungNan

This is Matthew Sheppard all over again. 2 hicks beating a gay man to death is somehow indicative of a national homophobic hysteria. Now, the irresponsibility and juvenile actions of a handful of MPs are somehow representative of the conduct of hundreds of thousands of honorable American troops. This makes me sick.


9 posted on 07/12/2004 1:03:09 PM PDT by ICX (The Dem VP race is like a wildebeest giving birth - it's ugly, loud, and ultimately doesn't matter.)
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To: BJungNan; All

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10 posted on 07/12/2004 1:04:32 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Kerry is a traitor!)
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To: BJungNan

They're Back! Maybe I'll be lucky enough to wear panties on my head tonight.

Oh, the torture.


11 posted on 07/12/2004 1:07:47 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: BJungNan

Must be a slow news day. I suppose we'll soon be hearing about John Kerry's adventures in Vietnam.


12 posted on 07/12/2004 1:11:59 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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I don't even consider these pictures mistreatment. I call them INTIMIDATION of prisoners.

When a guard wants to gain control over unruly, agitated prisoners, the simplest way is to make them strip. It's an intimidation factor and it's been used for hundreds of years.

I have already written a strongly worded email to MSNBC and explained to them that videos of fingers being cut off - with blood spurting and the person so much in shock they simply fall over .. a man having his arm broken with the use of a huge sledge hammer - and listening to the man scream in pain .. THAT'S TORTURE!

Putting woman's panties on the males heads and making them strip is NOT TORTURE .. it's INTIMIDATION.


13 posted on 07/12/2004 1:15:50 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: America is the Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth)
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15 posted on 07/12/2004 1:29:05 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: BJungNan

There are lots of Democrats enjoying the same "tortures" every day and night in their private moments with their "partners".


16 posted on 07/12/2004 1:48:14 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: BJungNan

Aw gee whizz and Unkie saddam would've just run em through the shredder, like on FARGO, boy those us troops sure were being mean to those prisoners...NOT


17 posted on 07/12/2004 2:01:59 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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MSNBC Calls U.S. Treatment of Prisoners at Abu Grhaib 'Torture'

I'm hoping that when the new editions of all the major dictionaries are published, they include the new and updated definition of the word "torture". It used to be that when I heard that somebody had been tortured, I'd envision that person having been subjected to prolonged excrutiating pain or having body parts cut off or disfigured. But from now on, when I hear that somebody had been tortured, I'll wonder if it was the old fashioned type of torture or the new-fangled "panties on the head" type of torture.

18 posted on 07/12/2004 2:04:01 PM PDT by usadave
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To: My2Cents
It was "hazing." "Torture" is having to watch MSNBC.

More specifically, "torture" is having to watch Keith Olbermann.

(Is he still with PMSNBC?)

19 posted on 07/12/2004 2:09:53 PM PDT by brewcrew
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To: usadave
I think I found the new dictionary reference. It seems they have updated it.

tor·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tôrchr) n.

1). Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
2). An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.
3). Something causing severe pain or anguish.
4). Having panties placed over ones head.

tr.v. tor·tured, tor·tur·ing, tor·tures

20 posted on 07/12/2004 2:15:40 PM PDT by BJungNan (Kerry = No1 Liberal, Edwards = No 4 Liberal)
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