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High-Tech Voting System Is Banned in California
NY Times ^ | May 1, 2004 | JOHN SCHWARTZ

Posted on 05/01/2004 4:17:21 PM PDT by neverdem

California has banned the use of more than 14,000 electronic voting machines made by Diebold Inc. in the November election because of security and reliability concerns, Kevin Shelley, the California secretary of state, announced yesterday. He also declared 28,000 other touch-screen voting machines in the state conditionally "decertified" until steps are taken to upgrade their security.

Mr. Shelley said that he was recommending that the state's attorney general look into possible civil and criminal charges against Diebold because of what he called "fraudulent actions by Diebold."

In an interview, Mr. Shelley said that "their performance, their behavior, is despicable," and that "if that's the kind of deceitful behavior they're going to engage in, they can't do business in California."

The move is the first decertification of touch-screen voting machines, which have appeared by the tens of thousands across the nation as states scramble to upgrade their election technology.

Opponents of the high-tech systems argue that the systems are less secure than what they replace, making it possible for the electoral process to be hacked.

Without a paper trail, created at the time of the voting, to show the votes, they argue, electoral flaws or fraud could go undetected and recounts could be impossible.

In a statement, Diebold's director of marketing for election systems, Mark G. Radke, said, "We have confidence in our technology and its benefits, and we look forward to helping administer successful elections in California and elsewhere in the country in November." The statement also said that the company "disputes the secretary of state's accusations."

Mr. Shelley's decision comes after more than a week of furor in California over glitches that plagued the Super Tuesday primary elections in March in several counties.

Mr. Shelley has said Diebold's missteps "jeopardized the outcome" of the primary, in part because thousands of San Diego voters were turned away from polling places when Diebold equipment malfunctioned.

At public hearings about the voting problems, Robert J. Urosevich, president of Diebold Election Systems, said in the company's defense, "We're not idiots, though we may act from time to time as not the smartest."

A report issued by Mr. Shelley's office on April 20 accused the company of breaking state election law by installing uncertified software on machines in four counties. It said that Diebold installed systems that were not tested at the federal level or certified at the state level, and that Diebold lied to state officials about the machines.

It is those machines, known as the AccuVote TSX, that have been banned from use in November.

The four counties that currently use the TSX machines, San Diego, San Joaquin, Solano and Kern, would switch to an older technology, known as optical ballot scanning, in which voters mark ballots by hand and the ballots are then fed into a reader.

Mr. Shelley followed the advice of a state advisory committee that recommended that the 10 counties that use touch-screen machines, should be able to use them in November as long as they also provide paper ballots for voters who are wary of the electronic ballot.

The committee, known as the Voting Systems and Procedures Panel, also recommended that no new touch-screen voting machines be used in the November election unless they include a paper verification process.

If the counties do not provide the paper ballot alternative and meet more than 20 other conditions for upgrading security and reliability of the machines, those touch-screen systems will also be banned in the November election.

"I came real close — real close — to decertifying the machines outright in those 10 counties," Mr. Shelley said. But he explained that he made the decertification conditional because the machines had strong support from advocates for the disabled.

He said that the goal was to "balance trying to make this election work in those 10 counties with improving voter confidence."

Mr. Shelley had to make his announcement yesterday to meet a deadline requiring that changes to election procedures be made six months before an election. He has called for all electronic voting machines in the state to produce a paper receipt that can be viewed by voters to verify their choices by 2006; he said he was exploring ways to speed up that process.

Opposition to high-tech voting systems has been building, with a number of groups having formed around the issue.

A voters group in Maryland, the Campaign for Verifiable Voting, filed suit against the Maryland Board of Elections last week to block the use of the state's 16,000 touch-screen machines until paper-based verification systems that display each vote can be added to them.

Federal lawmakers, including Representative Rush D. Holt, Democrat of New Jersey, and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, have called for voter-verified paper trails as well.

"Once again, California is setting an excellent example for the rest of the country," said David L. Dill, a computer science professor at Stanford University and founder of a group, VerifiedVoting.org, that is pushing for paper backup for electronic voting systems.

"Diebold earned this," he said.

Michael Wertheimer, a former official of the National Security Agency who tested Diebold machines at the request of the State of Maryland and found that the election systems could be easily hacked, said that the harsh action by the State of California was appropriate and that the problems with the machines could be addressed.

"They're absolutely fixable problems," said Mr. Wertheimer, but "the time for mea culpas are behind for all of these companies. They have to get out front and say, `We are going to make these systems secure.' "


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Technical; US: California; US: Maryland; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: ballotsecurity; computervoting; diebold; electronicvoting; security; shmelleygate; touchscreenmachine; votingsystems
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"We're not idiots, though we may act from time to time as not the smartest."

DUH!

1 posted on 05/01/2004 4:17:22 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Good. Voting should be done with good-old fashioned black marker and paper, overseen by sweet old ladies.
2 posted on 05/01/2004 4:20:20 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Extremer than any Extremist!!!)
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To: neverdem
Doesn't seem to be any point in doing away with the paper trail. I like all things high-tech, but in this case, I want a paper trail.
3 posted on 05/01/2004 4:20:23 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Good. Voting should be done with good-old fashioned black marker and paper, overseen by sweet old ladies.

And don't forget those hanging chads...

4 posted on 05/01/2004 4:22:09 PM PDT by John123 (A proud member of the most crooked, you know, lying group you've ever seen)
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To: fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; ...
This technology is ripe for fraud IMHO.
5 posted on 05/01/2004 4:24:01 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: samtheman
Doesn't seem to be any point in doing away with the paper trail. I like all things high-tech, but in this case, I want a paper trail.

IMHO, one requirement for a really good voting system (not quite met by any system today) is that the act of casting a ballot should indelibly mark some substitution-resistant medium such that (1) any further marking will render it void, and (2) there can be no plausible explanation for voided ballots appearing in the ballot stream, other than either fraud or gross incompetance by those running the elections.

Optical scanning is probably the technology that comes closest to meeting those requirements, though it would allow a voter's "no candidate selected" choice for a race to be altered into something else. But the electronic proposals I've seen have been absolutely horrible in this regard since they use flash memory which is, by design, anything but indelible.

6 posted on 05/01/2004 4:24:22 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: neverdem
Some links to other stories about this:

Calif. Official Bans Some Voting Machines [Calls for Criminal Investigation of Diebold] ^

Calif. secretary of state pulls plug on some electronic voting ^

The Vexations Of Voting Machines ^

7 posted on 05/01/2004 4:24:52 PM PDT by upchuck (Message to Senator John F'ing sKerry: Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
IIRC, they submit paper ballots in Canada.
8 posted on 05/01/2004 4:26:17 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: upchuck
Thanks for the links.
9 posted on 05/01/2004 4:29:01 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Totally ripe. There isn't the compute program yet that can't be hacked.
10 posted on 05/01/2004 4:37:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
There isn't the compute program yet that can't be hacked.

There used to be. Back when computers were programmed using configuratiosn of wires and such, programs could be inspected to ensure that they were being run properly.

11 posted on 05/01/2004 4:43:25 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Travis McGee
You're absolutely right. Some of these kids are amazing. I always say "hire them" so we know where they are. With a little incentive, they'll blow in their best friend. It's just a game to them.
12 posted on 05/01/2004 4:43:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: All
Go back to "fill in the dot" with a number 2 pencil. Simple but effective.

And if schoolkids can handle that, maybe some of these folks who refuse to meld (learn English and work) might be able to handle it.

13 posted on 05/01/2004 4:51:45 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: supercat
I agree.
14 posted on 05/01/2004 5:48:40 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: supercat
>> "though it would allow a voter's "no candidate selected" choice for a race to be altered into something else." <<

The solution to that is so simple that no politician would ever think of it. Simply put a "no candidate selected" option on each vote. Allowing a voter to select this as their choice.
15 posted on 05/01/2004 6:49:03 PM PDT by sd-joe
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To: neverdem
"I came real close — real close — to decertifying the machines outright in those 10 counties," Mr. Shelley said. But he explained that he made the decertification conditional because the machines had strong support from advocates for the disabled."


Just how can the machine's possibly help the disabled to a suifficient extent that possibly could justify any risk of election fraud?

It seems to me that the only "disabled" in this article may be Mr. Shelley because he is allowing known vulnerable machines to be used. Clearly he is mentally disabled, say in possession of a room temperature IQ.

Or he could be a vote stealer.
16 posted on 05/01/2004 6:54:36 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: neverdem; sweetliberty; nicmarlo; Kuksool
"Federal lawmakers, including Representative Rush D. Holt, Democrat of New Jersey, and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, have called for voter-verified paper trails as well."


Don't rush to judgement here....the Democrats love the paper trail....they are expert at vote fraud. A proper electronic vote would screw them from cancelling out Republican votes!

How we could get a proper electronic vote, is a very good question, however.

17 posted on 05/01/2004 6:55:10 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I agree! Let's go back to the paper ballot. One ballot, one vote, one signature. The only other techno thing they could add is having your picture taken when you put your ballot into the box. The Cruise Ships do this type of ID, shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

We are all being set up for another divisive fight come November. They talk about putting together the "dots" on 9/11. Yet, we see this coming and all the politicians do nothing!

Are we going to have a 11/4/04 Commission? I'd prefer to spend my tax dollars now instead of later.
18 posted on 05/01/2004 7:15:08 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: not2worry
There goes our one button advantage- Democrat
19 posted on 05/01/2004 7:55:23 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Liberalism is communism one drink at a time)
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To: TheLion
Why is there no call for requiring Voter Id at the polls?
20 posted on 05/01/2004 9:01:30 PM PDT by Kuksool (9-11 happened when the RATS controlled the Senate)
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