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Test could lead to time travel
The Miami Herald ^ | Sunday, March 21, 2004 | BY RAFAEL SANGIOVANNI

Posted on 03/22/2004 4:20:21 PM PST by Momaw Nadon

A physics professor will try to turn back time in an experiment at the Miami Museum of Science.

It's back to the future all over again -- at least, that's what Carlos Dolz has in mind.

The Florida International University physics professor plans to take time to task at 10 a.m. Wednesday, when he presents an experiment that involves using acceleration to speed up a digital clock by four seconds.

Dolz's experiment -- which takes six hours to finish -- will become part of Playing With Time, the current exhibit at the Miami Museum of Science.

Dolz, who has been a lecturing theoretical physicist for nine years, really doesn't know where his experiment could lead.

''The point of this is to question how things really work,'' he said. ``This goes beyond common understanding.''

The aptly titled ''Time Shift Experiment'' combines some of the most complicated physics concepts with simple machines and -- Dolz said -- may prove that time travel is possible.

Time shifts are not uncommon, the professor said. There have been experiments in the past that compared atomic clocks on fast-flying planes to those on the ground. The clocks on board the planes showed a slight shift forward, Dolz said.

He said he became even more fascinated by time when he was studying gravity -- he found that he could not truly understand one without the other.

He began fiddling with time shifts in his experiments and was approached by Museum of Science officials in late 2003.

They had decided to host the time exhibit to pique public interest in the abstract concept of time.

''[Time] is a hands-on phenomenon,'' said Sean Duran, director of exhibits at the Museum of Science. 'This exhibit helps [people] to get some of those `big-picture' questions that were posed by the big guys like Einstein.''

They wanted Dolz to come aboard with his presentation.

But unlike the other time experiments on display, which are already proven and made for learning, Dolz's is an authentic first-time experiment made for both learning and discovery.

He hopes to stir up the public's preconceptions about time, gravity and acceleration.

''A big problem for science is common sense. It works for most everything in people's lives, but not in physics,'' he said. ``It's limited to point of view and perspective, [so] it's really not enough.''

The experiment involves putting a digital clock under immense force by spinning it on a centrifuge.

The basic idea behind the experiment is to speed up the frequency of the pulses, or ticks, produced by the clock with force to push it ahead.

Dolz said it takes about six hours to move the clock ahead four seconds.

While past experiments were expensive and produced minimal results, Dolz said he is taking an economical approach and shooting for a range of results.

''He can use very simple tools to come to some of the same grand conclusions,'' said Duran, adding that Dolz's experiment could prove Einstein's theory that time is only relative.

Dolz's four-second time shift, when compared to the plane experiments, is considered a huge change -- so much so that scientists from various universities will be monitoring the experiment to certify the results.

Dolz said he is looking forward to sharing his discovery, claiming contending that understanding time helps people in everything they do.

But in the science world, Dolz has no idea what kind of impact his experiment could have -- much like the great scientists of the past.

''Did [Benjamin] Franklin know that his fiddling around would take us where we are today?'' he asks. ``We may be seeing the beginnings of time travel, but I have no idea. I'm like Franklin, Columbus and [Michael] Faraday: we [just] do what we are capable of doing.''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Technical; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: acceleration; carlosdolz; centrifuge; clock; crevolist; dolz; einstein; experiment; force; gravity; physics; pseudoscience; relativity; science; shift; speed; test; time; timeshiftexperiment; timetravel; travel
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To: Licensed-To-Carry
It's a problem only if you believe in that new-fangled Copernican stuff.
81 posted on 03/22/2004 5:57:09 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Young Werther
Love that Yvette Mimeaux!


82 posted on 03/22/2004 6:01:41 PM PST by decimon
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To: Jeff Gordon
Look for time travelers from the past.

Ah, you've figured it out. We Neanderthals are due to arrive in force rather soon now. I'm part of an advance party, checking out the competition. I see nothing about you sapiens types [snicker] to cause us any trouble.

Everyone's been wondering what happened to us Neanderthals. Now you know. We left the ice age, and now we'll be taking over. MRRUUHAHAHAHAHAHA!

83 posted on 03/22/2004 6:04:59 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Everything good that I have done, I have done at the command of my voices.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Was he a Wesley Clark supporter?

Candidate Wesley Clark sees time travel as possible

84 posted on 03/22/2004 6:09:22 PM PST by weegee (From the way the Spanish voted - it seems that the Europeans do know there is an Iraq-Al Qaida link.)
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To: Sabertooth
Dolz, who has been a lecturing theoretical physicist for nine years, really doesn't know where his experiment could lead.

Hmmm, so how does he know how things really work? Just wondering. :-)

85 posted on 03/22/2004 6:11:16 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts are: 2 for minor arm and thigh injury and 1 for killing a semi-dead VietCong)
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To: Momaw Nadon
"I'm like Franklin, Columbus and [Michael] Faraday: we [just] do what we are capable of doing.''

Is this guy going to be selling autographs? His own, I mean?

86 posted on 03/22/2004 6:11:44 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Licensed-To-Carry
"So for time travel to really work, you would have to go back in time and go to the actual spot and rotation of the earth at that particular time. Am I off base?"

I'm not a scientist either, but it has always been my understanding that that is true, ie time travel would also have to be distance travel if you want to end up on the Earth and have an atmosphere to breath. (You also better make sure you don't land 100's of ft. up or under the ocean.)
87 posted on 03/22/2004 6:12:09 PM PST by Socratic (Yes, there is method in the madness.)
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To: onedoug
Everyone who's ever flown in an airplane has aged however imperceptably more slowly from being that much further from the local gravitational source, i.e., the earth.

I'm intrigued by your post. I think I'll write the government and see if I can get a grant to study stewardesses.

88 posted on 03/22/2004 6:13:21 PM PST by weegee (From the way the Spanish voted - it seems that the Europeans do know there is an Iraq-Al Qaida link.)
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To: StriperSniper
Well, that is the ultimate answer. ;-)

Mebbe I should have subtracted.

89 posted on 03/22/2004 6:17:30 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I wish I could snowboard as well as John F'ng Kerry...aww crap I just didn't fall down again!!!)
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To: SamAdams76
I'm not a scientist but I just don't see how time travel is possible. Consider this. If time travel WAS possible, we'd already know it because we'd have already been visited by travelers from the future. The fact that this did not happen indicates quite strongly that the human race was never able to figure it out.

Maybe someone needs to jiggle the handle a little bit...
90 posted on 03/22/2004 6:18:35 PM PST by hummingbird ("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
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To: PatrickHenry; SamAdams76
If the Everett-Wheeler interpretation of quantum mechanics is correct, then each time traveler would cause a new "reality" so there wouldn't be bunch of them hanging around clogging up the place, or so I've been told.
91 posted on 03/22/2004 6:22:38 PM PST by Jonx6
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To: My2Cents
Me too! Wheeee! I'm a time traveler. I was a time traveler. I will be a time traveler.
92 posted on 03/22/2004 6:24:52 PM PST by handk (The moon belongs to America, and anxiously awaits our Astro-Men. Will you be among them?)
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To: Jonx6
If the Everett-Wheeler interpretation of quantum mechanics is correct, then each time traveler would cause a new "reality" so there wouldn't be bunch of them hanging around clogging up the place, or so I've been told.

Ah yes, the untestable "many worlds" conjecture. True, we wouldn't be flooded with time travelers, because each would have his own universe. But where would those new universes fit in? This one seems to be hogging all the room.

93 posted on 03/22/2004 6:26:14 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Everything good that I have done, I have done at the command of my voices.)
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To: Qwinn
Ah yes... good questions all... and I'd say you are right about time slowing down instead of speeding up. Maybe the writer intended to say loses 4 seconds instead of gaining four seconds... kind of messes up the idea of going back in time. And I don't actually think that by spinning in a circle the size of a room that you would have an effect on time, even for the timepiece itself.

And it would seem that the method described would not have an affect on time as experienced by all but only have an affect on the object or person experiencing the travels of speeds greater than what we normally experience... and I have had about three glasses of wine since I first read this article, so you'll excuse me I sure, if I'm not making much scenes...
94 posted on 03/22/2004 7:25:19 PM PST by Godfollow
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To: Momaw Nadon
Algore invented time travel.
95 posted on 03/22/2004 7:30:13 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Momaw Nadon
I want to go back to 1 Million Years BC

Or at least 1966 :-)

96 posted on 03/22/2004 7:37:36 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: SamAdams76
Unless there is a static true point of time (or some other weird thing) where time has actually progressed only to a certain point and we are at the front of time, thus it is only possible to go backwards in time.

Now that I re-read that...it doesn't make much sense does it? I guess traveling back in time would have to entail jumping to a parallel universe, because if you jumped around in time, you could run the risk of creating the time/space continuum paradox where "what if I met my parents and somehow prevented my conception, if I am never born, then how can I go back in time and prevent my own conception".

97 posted on 03/22/2004 7:41:01 PM PST by xrp
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To: reg45

Sure...slingshot around the sun, if you gather enough speed you're in time travel!

98 posted on 03/22/2004 7:43:06 PM PST by xrp
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To: billorites

Out of sight.
99 posted on 03/22/2004 7:47:38 PM PST by Unicorn (Two many wimps around)
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To: 19th LA Inf
The key is the velocity... and it matter not if it goes straight or in a circle. If it goes fast enough, and this means REALLY fast enough, time slows down ON THE HIGH SPEED OBJECT.

"The basic idea behind the experiment is to speed up the frequency of the pulses, or ticks, produced by the clock with force to push it ahead. Dolz said it takes about six hours to move the clock ahead four seconds.

I question this guys total premise and his prediction. He claims that a high-speed centrifuge with a digital clock mounted at the perimeter will GAIN (!) FOUR SECONDS in about SIX HOURS????

First of all, the high velocity clock should show a LOSS of time not a GAIN! It would be the stationary clock that would appear to have gained time compared to the moving clock.

Secondly, at the velocities a mechanical centrifuge could attain, I think it would take THOUSANDS, of not MILLIONS, of years to gain even ONE second, let alone FOUR! The atomic clocks carried for long periods of time on satellites or the space shuttle showed only millionths of a second time differences with Earthbound comparison clocks... and they were traveling at 18,000+ miles per hour.

100 posted on 03/22/2004 8:06:38 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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