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Kerry/Clinton 04 Get ready for it!!

Posted on 03/03/2004 2:19:20 AM PST by Capitalism2003

No...NOT Hellary folks...

BILL!

I swear..I can say it coming...The dems are so anxious to get Bubba back in the WH...This is a dream come true for them...the most liberal senator and most morally bankrupt ex-president...together

a left wing dream team.

like it or not, the Clinton/Mcauliff team, combined with the Kerry/Dean/moveon.org/George Soros machine will bring in tons of money from lefty whackos and they will be able to compete with Bush on the money side...

Get ready folks.


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1 posted on 03/03/2004 2:19:21 AM PST by Capitalism2003
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To: Capitalism2003
What's the point? I don't think the sinkmeister is constitutionally able to be president again.
2 posted on 03/03/2004 2:22:07 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (<a href="http://moveon.org" target="blank">Communist front group</a>)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Bill can be VICE-President.

..now law against it.
3 posted on 03/03/2004 2:27:16 AM PST by Capitalism2003 (Got principles? http://www.LP.org)
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To: Capitalism2003
I think there'd be a firestorm of criticism of Kerry if he picked the Sinkmeister as veep - because he could not become president if Kerry suddenly 'fell ill' or something...this scenario would make the Speaker of the House second in line for the throne. No demonrat would be dumb enough to do it.
4 posted on 03/03/2004 2:30:44 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (<a href="http://moveon.org" target="blank">Communist front group</a>)
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To: Capitalism2003
No way.

The Clintons don't want to see any Democrat win under any circumstances. That's why Hillary just endorsed him - she's perfectly aware that he is -completely- unelectable, even less than Dean was, hell, even less than she is.

The Clintons are waiting for 2008. At that time, they will be in an infinitely better position if a Republican is coming out of office and the Democrat field is wide open, then if it's Kerry coming out of office (because, just like Bush for the Republicans, Kerry will be the automatic nominee)

As for the law against Clinton being Veep (not that I think it'll happen, but just as a point of law), the Constitution states that no one may be "elected President" for more than two terms. Now, it depends on how literalist you want to get. If he's elected as a VP, and then the Prez dies, was he "elected President"? If you want to get highly technical, no, he was elected Vice President, not President. If you're looking at the obvious spirit of the law, he was elected into a position that is a heartbeat away from President, which should count as the same thing.

If Democrats were to try this, you can expect them to suddenly become strict Constitutional literalists. For this issue. Then it's back to inventing and destroying the Constitution without a single shred of backing.

Qwinn
5 posted on 03/03/2004 2:37:37 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: Capitalism2003
Amendment XXII

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

___________________________

Interesting thought but I believe the Office of the President includes the Vice President. Not sure.

6 posted on 03/03/2004 2:39:40 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Capitalism2003
Pure BS.
7 posted on 03/03/2004 2:39:46 AM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: Qwinn
new AOL poll...pops up on the main screen when people sign on...

election held today: Kerry or Bush?

68% Kerry
32% Bush

nearly 100,000 responses...

8 posted on 03/03/2004 2:39:48 AM PST by Capitalism2003 (Got principles? http://www.Libertarianism.com http://www.LP.org)
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To: Capitalism2003
There's an op-ed in the NY Times today which proposes exactly this. Did you know about it or are you prescient?
9 posted on 03/03/2004 2:52:52 AM PST by Grut
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To: Capitalism2003
All from people dumb enough to use AOL...
;-)
10 posted on 03/03/2004 2:55:00 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool ("For diplomacy to be effective, words must be credible" - GWB)
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To: Capitalism2003
Since the deomocrat party has officially become the "Gay!" Party, does this mean Hitlary will finally come out of the closet?
11 posted on 03/03/2004 3:03:00 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Qwinn
I guess it would all revolve around parsing the meaning of the word "elected." (A la the meaning of the word "is").
12 posted on 03/03/2004 3:03:31 AM PST by Conservative Infidel
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To: Capitalism2003
If the election were held today, who would get your vote?
John Kerry 62%
George W. Bush 38%
Would Edwards make the best running mate for Kerry?
Yes 68%
No 32%
Total Votes: 109,779
Note on Poll Results
13 posted on 03/03/2004 3:08:22 AM PST by maggief
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To: Qwinn
I think the clintons have set up their shadow democrat party with their 527 organizations. It does not matter how the rank and file votes, the clintons are operating under the golden rule, the man with the gold makes the rules.

Perhaps McAuwful is leaving the DNC in order to run the 527's outside the view of the public.

Hitlary and Bill are working to solidify their control. Bush and Rove are working to obliterate the Democrat party.
14 posted on 03/03/2004 3:09:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: maggiefluffs
could you please elaborate. What note? Is this a poll of democrats? This makes no logic at all. source?
15 posted on 03/03/2004 3:13:27 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Capitalism2003
I would love to see the Democrats try that stunt, trying to pull a "depends on the meaning of the word 'is'" over the meanings of the various amendments which limit a President to two terms.

We would absolutely crush that ticket. It would remind independents of everything bad about the Clinton presidency and would rally our base like nothing you have ever seen.

16 posted on 03/03/2004 3:15:41 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: Capitalism2003
Well, that sounds like good news to me.

It doesn't seem to me that Clinton on the ticket would do anything but energize the Republican and Independent voters that were disgusted with him to turn out and vote for Bush.

It's only been 4 years and all the events around his "leaving office", i.e. pardons, taking things from the White House, would be hashed up.

I think Clinton on the ticket (either Clinton for that matter) would secure a Dem loss.

If the Clintons thought Bush could be defeated, Hillary would be running!

That's MHO.
17 posted on 03/03/2004 3:17:30 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Capitalism2003
Is this a humor vanity?
18 posted on 03/03/2004 3:17:51 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Capitalism2003
What makes you think there's even the slightest possibility of this happening? (Other than in your nightmares, perhaps...)
19 posted on 03/03/2004 3:19:08 AM PST by Amelia (Warning: the above may be the rantings of a sleep-deprived mind.)
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To: longtermmemmory
I was responding to post #5, the AOL poll.

Here's the note:

NOTE: Poll results are not scientific and reflect the opinions of only those users who chose to participate. Poll results are not reflected in real time.

20 posted on 03/03/2004 3:21:03 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggiefluffs
Oops, make that post #8.

(Time to brew some coffee.)
21 posted on 03/03/2004 3:23:24 AM PST by maggief
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To: Capitalism2003
Kerry / Clinton ?

Both sides would be after him.

Picture a Kerry "plane crash", ala Wellstone, and the Dims saying they will wave the Constitution for Clintoon, resulting in an internal crisis, leading to chaos.

No, not even the Dims will go for that one.

22 posted on 03/03/2004 3:24:52 AM PST by G.Mason (The Democratic Primary = The Most Boring And Intellectually Dishonest People in America)
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To: Capitalism2003
Bill can be VICE-President...

Actually, Bill has already been VICE President...

But seriously folks, Bill is constitutionally ineligible to be President or Vice-President, since you must be eligible to assume the Presidency in order to be Vice-President.

So, quit worrying....about Bill Clinton, that is. The other one is a different story entirely.

23 posted on 03/03/2004 3:29:31 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: maggiefluffs
thanks
24 posted on 03/03/2004 3:34:04 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: G.Mason
Kerry's prostate cancer may yet make Xlinton President (again).


25 posted on 03/03/2004 3:39:21 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Capitalism2003
So what does that prove other than the vast majority of AOL users are brain dead?
26 posted on 03/03/2004 3:40:51 AM PST by anoldafvet (Medals don't equal morals, just look at John f'n Kerry)
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To: Capitalism2003
>i>Bill can be VICE-President. ..now law against it.

Oh yes there is a law against it, the supreme law of the land is against. Of course, that hasn't bothered Clinton in the past but I think even he would have trouble with this one.

27 posted on 03/03/2004 3:51:46 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: anoldafvet
Kerry wants to run as the underdog. This sort of poll and the expected media coronation of Kerry is going to step on that big time.

As for VP: I read a rumor Richardson had turned it down...anyone know?
28 posted on 03/03/2004 3:51:48 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal
I saw him a couple of weeks ago on Fox and Friends, and he said unequivocally NO!!!

E.D. Asked him point blank, and he said "No, I was elected to serve a full term as N.M. Gov, and I will not accept the VP if offered." We know people have lied in the past, but to me it was pretty convincing.

29 posted on 03/03/2004 3:57:38 AM PST by codercpc
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To: Capitalism2003
let them do what they want; they are going to lose bad this year
30 posted on 03/03/2004 3:58:02 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Remember, God made you special and He loves you very much!)
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To: Keith in Iowa
I don't think the sinkmeister is constitutionally able to be president again.

Then you'd better read the Constitution.

The XXII Amendment creates a bar to election. It does not add "Ineligibilities" to Article II.

The ineligibilities are:

Under age 35

Not a natural-born US citizen (unless already a citizen in 1791)

Not resident in the United States for fourteen years prior to election.

No person who is Constitutionally ineligible to the office of President may be elected Vice-President.

Bill Clinton is NOT "Constitutionally ineligible".

He just can't be elected to the office of President.

31 posted on 03/03/2004 4:07:57 AM PST by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: San Jacinto
But seriously folks, Bill is constitutionally ineligible to be President or Vice-President, since you must be eligible to assume the Presidency in order to be Vice-President.

And just where in the Constitution does it say that X42 is not "eligible to assume the office of President"?

Of course he is (He's over 35, born in the USA, and has lived here for the requisite 14 years prior to 2004).

He just can't be elected.

32 posted on 03/03/2004 4:11:58 AM PST by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: reformedliberal
As for VP: I read a rumor Richardson had turned it down...anyone know?

I can't believe anyone has formally been offered the spot already. Richardson has publicly denied interest in the position, but that means nothing IMO. I mean, what's he supposed to say?

33 posted on 03/03/2004 4:13:30 AM PST by BlackRazor
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To: codercpc
People need to calm down.

If the Sink Emperor or his Beeyatch were to come on as the Veep, they would immediately overshadow John-John.

John-John has an enormous ego. Want to see how I know this? There is a picture of John Kerry running out of the surf in a wetsuit with a windsurf board in hand. It was taken by Annie Liebowitz. It was a campaign prop.

He cannot stand being overshadowed. If he is foolish enough to put the Hilly on his ticket, his goose is cooked.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

34 posted on 03/03/2004 4:30:02 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "John Kerry: all John F., no Kennedy..." Click on my pic!)
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To: Capitalism2003
Kerry/Clinton 04 Get ready for it

I don't believe it will happen...
Susan Estrich (democratic strategist) summed it up very well on Greta's show...

Greta: Alright Susan, John Kerry - big winner tonight... Does this mean its the END of the Clinton domination of the democratic party? (Susan shaking her head YES and grinnning)

Greta: OR, are we going to see Hillary Rodham Clinton, perhaps as the candidate on the democratic party for the vice president?
(Susan, now shaking her head wildly NO)

Susan: NO! Is the short answer.

Susan: I have been WAITING for this question since Newt Gingrich, SAVIOR to democrats everywhere! ...said that, ...giving us our GREAT advice for the evening... my buddy Newt, and we get along very well, Newt and I... But he said, "ALL we needed to do, we Democrats, was to get Hillary on the ticket and THAT would answer ALL our problems."

Susan: ...and when I hear that from Newt, I know that I'm getting SPUN in eighteen directions. You know, its like ME telling you, WHO George Bush should put on his ticket, and PRETENDING (when I'm NOT telling you the truth), that I am.

Susan: Look, Hillary would be the WORST choice John Kerry could POSSIBLY make! (now counting on her fingers...) For Hillary, for the TICKET, and for John Kerry. Thats laughable... I mean, it would NOT ONLY violate HER promise to the people of New York, it would put the MOST DEVISIVE, most polarizing Democrat in the WORLD on the ticket, which is the violation of RULE #1 when you're picking a vice presidential candidate..

Susan: So NO, she is NOT going to be on the ticket.



...now my own feelings, is that Hillary's handlers will rig a 'Toricelli' or 'Wellstone' style event for mister Kerry about mid-September. (And Kerry will have the perfect excuse if he 'voluntarily' drops out. He can just say his Cancer has returned.)

Let's not forget too, what Wes Clark let slip out when his handlers weren't watching him... "the Kerry campaign will 'implode' as a result of an 'intern' issue." (he said that DAYS AFTER the journalist woman, so he wasn't talking about HER)

35 posted on 03/03/2004 4:33:24 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: San Jacinto
But seriously folks, Bill is constitutionally ineligible to be President or Vice-President, since you must be eligible to assume the Presidency in order to be Vice-President.

That's my understanding of the constitutional requirements for VP as well. So this particular scenario isn't a worry.

So, quit worrying....about Bill Clinton, that is. The other one is a different story entirely.

But I can still worry about Bill's other plots. I still think he's angling to replace Kofi Anan as Secretary General when Hillary gets to be Pres in '08. She can then cede sovereingty to the UN "in the name of world peace." And they would see to it that there's no term limits on Secretary General. Hillary could then assume the newly created (hereditary) office of Governor General of the North American Donor States and oversee that fair redistribution of the unjustly gotten treasure that we have stolen from the rest of the world.

36 posted on 03/03/2004 4:34:06 AM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Qwinn
If Democrats were to try this, you can expect them to suddenly become strict Constitutional literalists. For this issue.

Well, I think there are a whole lot of Americans who will have a '2nd' issue that it will end up being awful hard for them to stop in that case.

37 posted on 03/03/2004 4:44:12 AM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: section9
There is a picture of John Kerry running out of the surf in a wetsuit with a windsurf board in hand. It was taken by Annie Liebowitz. It was a campaign prop.



Do you haave a copy of this photo? I want to see it
38 posted on 03/03/2004 4:50:57 AM PST by Taffini (I like Tony Sorprano even though he is a fat boy)
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To: Capitalism2003
I love this! The morning after Kerry has bagged the Democrat nomination is one of the biggest primary season trounces in history and all people are talking about is...THE CLINTONS.
39 posted on 03/03/2004 4:58:13 AM PST by randita
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To: Capitalism2003
I can't believe his monumental ego or his wife's ambition would allow this. Could you see Hillary having to stand behind Mrs. Ketchup??
40 posted on 03/03/2004 5:10:49 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Capitalism2003
This was taken from an article on the Drudge Report this morning...nothing new here....Kerry knows that Bubba would overshadow him.....no way. This was a fight for control of the Rat party between the Clintons and Kennedy (Kerry's campaign manager). It will never happen.
41 posted on 03/03/2004 5:17:31 AM PST by smiley
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To: Capitalism2003
Think of this...

Would Kerry nowingly add Clinton to the ticket knowing that Clinton is just a heartbeat away from the White house?

If I were Kerry, I would drop out right now,

The people who get into any of the Clintons way end up dead.

Ask JFK jr..

42 posted on 03/03/2004 5:29:08 AM PST by Radioactive
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To: Capitalism2003
I like it because it would remove Cheney as a 'heart-beat away' issue.

Elect Kerry and put Dennis Hastert 'heart-beat away'.

43 posted on 03/03/2004 5:32:21 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Capitalism2003
Sounds like an implausable Oliver Stone scenario!
44 posted on 03/03/2004 5:35:14 AM PST by verity
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To: Capitalism2003
Willard CANNOT be Vice-President - period.

The Twelfth Amendment is pretty clear. It is the amendment that talks about how the Electoral College meets and chooses the pres and veep. The last sentence: But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

That's it, end of story.

45 posted on 03/03/2004 5:41:12 AM PST by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: Qwinn
Agree. The Clintons will make sure Kerry runs far to the left and gets beatten badly, leaving an opening for "centrist" Hillary to retake the party in 2008. Much like Bill did after liberal Dukakis lost badly in 1988. The Clintons are not stupid and they want the White House back. And they will stop at nothing to get there.
46 posted on 03/03/2004 5:41:30 AM PST by joonbug
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To: Capitalism2003
Pure drivel - moving on.
47 posted on 03/03/2004 5:42:59 AM PST by familyofman
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To: Jim Noble
Sorry, Billy Jeff IS Constitutionally ineligible

The Twelfth Amendment is pretty clear. It is the amendment that talks about how the Electoral College meets and chooses the pres and veep. The last sentence: But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Willard CANNOT be Vice-President - period.
That's it, end of story.

BTW, Not only can BJ NOT ever be a VEEP, he is also precluded from holding any office that's in the line of succession to the presidency.

48 posted on 03/03/2004 5:46:21 AM PST by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: Capitalism2003
March 2, 2004, 10:34PM

Bill Clinton could be just the ticket for Kerry
By STEPHEN GILLERS

With John Kerry's success in Tuesday's primaries, the race for the Democratic nomination for president is all but over -- and speculation about his choice for vice president can now begin in earnest.

John Edwards, Kerry's closest rival [and who is expected to officially withdraw from the race today], is a proven campaigner and could attract Southern voters. Govs. Evan Bayh of Indiana and Bill Richardson of New Mexico have both regional appeal and executive experience. Dark-horse candidates include former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and former Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia.

Amid this conjecture, however, one name is conspicuously absent: Bill Clinton.

Clinton's strengths would compensate for Kerry's weaknesses almost perfectly. Not only is Clinton the most talented campaigner of his generation, but he is also a Southerner -- and since 1948, when Harry S. Truman chose Sen. Alben Barkley of Kentucky as his running mate, every successful Democratic ticket has included a citizen of a Southern state.

Besides, people might even pay to watch Bill Clinton debate Dick Cheney. So why not?

The first objection, the constitutional one, can be disposed of easily. The Constitution does not prevent Clinton from running for vice president. The 22nd Amendment, which became effective in 1951, begins: "No person shall be elected to the office of the president more than twice."

No problem. Bill Clinton would be running for vice president, not president. Scholars and judges can debate how loosely constitutional language should be interpreted, but one need not be a strict constructionist to find this language clear beyond dispute. Bill Clinton cannot be elected president, but nothing stops him from being elected vice president.

True, if Clinton were vice president he would be in line for the presidency. But Clinton would succeed Kerry not by election, which the amendment forbids, but through Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, which provides that if a president dies, resigns or is removed from office, his powers "shall devolve on the vice president." The 22nd Amendment would not prevent this succession.

So much for the constitutional obstacles. The political ones may be more formidable. They can be summarized in two questions: Would Clinton want the job -- and would Kerry want him to take it?

We won't know until we ask, of course. But before asking, we might cite some compelling reasons for both men to consider a Kerry-Clinton ticket seriously.

For Clinton, the appeal of the vice presidency is both political and personal. First, he could help his party win. Yes, Clinton remains a divisive figure in American politics -- but not so much among Democrats. And surely many voters long for the strong economy and economic stewardship that was one of the hallmarks of his administration.

Second, he could burnish his legacy. In exchange for joining the ticket, Clinton could negotiate for plum assignments as vice president. Mideast peace? National health care? Racial equality? He could focus on any or all of them.

And from a purely personal standpoint, it might be especially gratifying for Clinton to be part of the team that defeats the man who four years ago promised to restore "character" to Clinton's own White House.

The only remaining question, then, is what Kerry thinks of all this. Judging from recent debates, there's little chemistry between Kerry and Edwards.

But Kerry and Clinton would seem to have much in common; they are nearly the same age, worked with each other in Washington for almost a decade and have a shared interest in foreign affairs.

For Kerry, the question may well come down to whether adding Clinton to the ticket would appreciably increase his chances of victory. A couple of polls should give him the answer fast enough. If the results are good, the course is clear: Bring him on.


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/2430461
49 posted on 03/03/2004 5:47:04 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Capitalism2003
new AOL poll...pops up on the main screen when people sign on... election held today: Kerry or Bush? 68% Kerry 32% Bush nearly 100,000 responses...

Quite frankly?

AOL is a moral sinkhole. You ever been to the chatrooms on there? The place is sodomy central. Heck, it'd be nice if it was just sodomy, but it isn't. Any bizarre, twisted, sick perversion you can think of will get several dozen chat rooms full to capacity for discussion.

Here's a serious piece of advice: Don't ever go into a chat room on AOL called "Dog Lovers" just because you -like- dogs. Yeah.

Somehow, I can't see the majority of conservatives sticking around in that kind of atmosphere. It turned me off enough that I cancelled my account, and I doubt I'm the only one. I would guess that most AOL users (at least ones that would ever go in the chat rooms) are very, very liberal. I wouldn't necessarily trust their polls.

Qwinn

50 posted on 03/03/2004 5:51:07 AM PST by Qwinn
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