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Yishai calls for Gibson's Jesus film to be banned in Israel
Haaretz Israel ^ | 26 February 2004 | Amiram Barkat

Posted on 02/25/2004 6:20:30 PM PST by Hal1950

Shas chairman MK Eli Yishai on Wednesday called for Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" movie to be banned from Israeli cinemas, calling it a blood libel.

In the U.S., the Anti-Defamation League issued a statement saying that the film "repeats all of the stereotypes and myths surrounding the death of Jesus that have accompanied anti-Semitism for the last 2,000 years. Regretfully, Gibson refused all of our attempts for a dialogue aimed at preventing this harm to Jews."

ADL National Director Abraham Foxman said he was troubled by Gibson's claim of historical accuracy. "He made his choice," Foxman told a news conference after viewing the film. "And it's to blame the Jews."

"The Passion," which depicts in gruesome detail the final hours of the life of Jesus, premiered in the U.S. and other countries Wednesday, but not in Israel.

Jewish and other religious groups in Manhattan planned protests for Wednesday. Amcha, The Coalition for Jewish Concerns, planned to wear concentration camp uniforms at a New York theater to link the film's portrayal of Jews to the sort of hate that led to the Nazi Holocaust.

"The whole thing is a blood libel," said Yishai, from the ultra-Orthodox Shas party, using a term that refers to a medieval slur that Jews used the blood of Christians to make unleavened bread for the Passover festival.

However, it appeared unlikely that the film would be banned. Few films have been barred in recent years, and the ones to be forbidden are usually pornographic. The Israeli film board, which makes these decisions, could not be reached for comment.

Yishai said the belief that the Jews had killed Jesus had led to "millions" of Jews being killed and persecuted in the last two millennia.

"This libel used to spread by word of mouth. Now the media are spreading it," Yishai told AP. "We should not accept this."

Yishai said he had also appealed to the Foreign Ministry to try to encourage other governments to bar the film.

Jewish leaders have said that the movie gives a harsh portrayal of Jews and blames them for death of Jesus. They have warned it could lead to a rise in anti-Semitism. Gibson, who also funded and co-scripted the film, denies that charge.

New York Cardinal Edward Egan, meanwhile, wrote to parishes to stress Jews were not responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus.

"He gave His Life for us," Egan wrote in a column to appear in next month's issue of Catholic New York. "No one took it from Him. This is, and has always been, Catholic doctrine.


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To: Chris Talk
I am simply unable to provide sources every time that I say something from memory

You should be prepared to if you are challenged.

I did Google Dio Cassius on Judea revolt. The first 20 hits did not contain anything like what you claimed.

Here is the closest I could find:

The Bar Kokhba Revolt

In the beginning, the Romans were not worried about the insurgents. But little by little, the disturbances spread to all of Judea. The Jews rose in rebellion throughout the country, inflicting increasingly heavy losses on the Romans, sometimes resorting to ruse, sometimes to all out war. People from other nations, attracted by the pillage, threatened to join them. The entire world was seething. Finally, Hadrian dispatched his greatest generals to fight them. The most famous was Julius Severus, the governor of Brittany. Initially, the latter did not risk openly attacking the insurgents because of their great numbers and the intensity of their desperation. Instead, he preferred to undertake isolating them, forcing them to withdraw to their strongholds and cutting off their provisions. Thus, he succeeded, slowly but surely, to weaken and destroy them. Few Jews survived. Julius Severus seized about fifty of their best fortresses; 985 of their most important villages were reduced to ruins; 580,000 men died in ambushes and in battles. The numbers of those that died of starvation, that were victims of epidemics or that were burned to death cannot be determined. Almost all of Judea was devastated

Dio Cassius, History, LXIX, 12

Sounds to me like the Jews were the ones who were victims of genocide (as usual!).

Don't ever demand that others do your homework because you don't want to take the treouble to back up your own claims.

341 posted on 02/26/2004 7:37:45 AM PST by Alouette (Atlantis -- the Real Palestinian State)
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To: WOSG
re: How about the irony of evangelical christians being among the staunchest defenders of Israel's right to exist. ))

There is a great deal of discomfort on the Jewish side with this alliance. It's kind of like a hasty, "thanks very much, but I really must be going, here's the door, bye...slam" the bum's rush.

There's certainly no warmth.

I can't escape some conclusions I am drawing from this Jewish response to a Catholic movie.

1) first of all, I am not taking seriously these protests of some return to pogrom-ic violence, at least not here in the US. Who knows what insanity will prevail in post-Christian Europe?

2) The Jewish leadership, like Heir from Weisenthal and Foxman from ADL, are utter cynics. They are playing victim in order to promote themselves and their institutions.

3) These leaders take themselves seriously, however, and seem determined to assert the right to tell Christians how to conduct Christian worship--there must be no mention of Jews--kind of boggles the mind. If Christians refuse, they risk that horrible threat of the accusation of antisemitism, only this eventuality is generally only in hints and veiled threats. Where have these leaders gotten the chustpa to believe they can make such a demand? Do we invade the half-empty synagogues to demand that the services be conducted to please Christians?

Once they actually start shooting the antisemitism salvos, however, it gets pretty dangerous. That's the only weapon they hold, and once it's gone there's no reloading.

Gibson's Passion is his own vision, based on much scripture if the discussion around it is any indication. Probably as faithful as any movie rendition to the text.

It is a kind of Mass, a Good Friday service. In short, a religious celebration.

This is America, and we may worship as we please.

342 posted on 02/26/2004 7:44:39 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
There is a great deal of discomfort on the Jewish side with this alliance. It's kind of like a hasty, "thanks very much, but I really must be going, here's the door, bye...slam" the bum's rush. There's certainly no warmth.

Clearly not from you.

You have clearly stated that you have trouble defending the US-Israel alliance to your "liberal friends."

There is a great of warmth between Jews and Christians, between sincere Jews and sincere Christians that is.

The Passion will screen in Israel, because Israel is a democracy.

And since Israel is a democracy, free speech is the norm, even the freedom of some to express concern that the film might incite anti-semitism, in a region of the world where Jews are getting blown up on almost a daily basis.

343 posted on 02/26/2004 7:52:26 AM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
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To: rmlew
The movie has brought out the anti-Semites.

Not necessarily Mel's fault, but an unintended consequence.

344 posted on 02/26/2004 7:55:03 AM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
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To: xzins; editor-surveyor; Alamo-Girl; Gal.5:1; fortheDeclaration; Commander8; Catspaw
Disagree.

I'm truly, sorry.

But,.........truth is,.....'this' film an overly evil, abusive, and 'porno-graphic'......vile film.

'spots'......everywhere and on every person's mind who support it!

Shame on all 'involved' in its production and support!

I'm truly, sorry.

:-(

yet,.......Shalom forever.

(Romans 10:17)

345 posted on 02/26/2004 7:57:12 AM PST by maestro
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To: veronica
Veronica, back with veiled hints.

re: You have clearly stated that you have trouble defending the US-Israel alliance to your "liberal friends." )))

Indeed, the question I find hardest to answer clearly and persuasively (and it's to libertarians, not liberals) is---"Why is it in the interest of the US to risk so much to protect Israel?" I think we may hear more of this as the numbers both of Jews and of Israel-supporters dwindle.

The arguments I do make all come down to shared moral loyalties--culture, democracy, and faith. But in this secular age, these don't persuade the increasingly secular. My arguments are of sentiment, and they have a limited shelf life. So--am always looking for a better and practical response to this question. One of these days, maybe you can stop hinting-hinting and sidling around and find the stones to respond.

I repeat, too, that Weisenthal and ADL have made one of the most breathtaking displays of self-promoting cynicism that I've ever seen in the entertainment business.

346 posted on 02/26/2004 8:02:02 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Salem; All
Basically, what radicals like Foxman are saying, is that Christians are ignorant, murderous, barbarians waiting for the excuse of, say a movie, to go on a violent, murderous rampage. I think he has us confused with another religion... the one that IS blowing up Israeli men, women and children.

Foxman is a fool being manipulated by heathens to undermine any representation of righteous morality throughout humanity...

... as is any Jew who shares his opinion of 'The Passion.' My ire against them will be expunged, not through so-called blood-libel, but with the delivery of one uniquely western response:

"Mr. Foxman (et al), go F--- yourself!"


347 posted on 02/26/2004 9:11:18 AM PST by Mr.Atos (Hate is not a western value... Its a liberal institution.)
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To: Chris Talk
Nice irony.
Seriously, though how else would you tranlate Yeshu or Yeshua?
Yehoshua is Joshua.
348 posted on 02/26/2004 9:58:11 AM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: mr.pink
Only in so far as fear leads to hate.
349 posted on 02/26/2004 10:00:42 AM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: Guillermo
Yebamoth 49b
Jesus is never mentioned.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_49.html

Sanhedrin 106a.
That was Balaam, not Jesus.
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesus.html

Where do you get you (mis)information?

350 posted on 02/26/2004 10:09:35 AM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: Chris Talk
Yes, Christians were killed as were pagan colonists. Christians were seen as collaborators and the Colonists were trying to deJudaize Judea. A national uprising was a natural result. http://www.livius.org/ja-jn/jewish_wars/jwar07.html
The revolt against Trajan came in 116.
http://www.livius.org/ja-jn/jewish_wars/jwar06.html
351 posted on 02/26/2004 10:16:07 AM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: rmlew
Thank you very much for your input and links.

It was the Second Jewish Revolt under Bar-Kokhba, NOT the much more famous one under Titus and Vespasian in 66-73 AD, that caused the depopulation and devastation of Eretz Yisroel, and the whole massive Exile [ge'ulah] of the Jews that has lasted over 1800 years.

Bad as the 70 AD events may have been, the Jewish population in the Land was greater in 130 AD than it had been in 60 AD, and in many ways the province was flourishing. By tradition, Betar alone had 500,000 residents, more than Jerusalem at the time.

In many ways, Titus and Vespasian have gotten a bum rap for exiling and killing the Jews, though they did do some of that. But hardly the entire people or nation.

That was done by Hadrian in response to the Bar Kokhba events. Only beginning then, c 135-40 AD, did E.Y. the Land of Israel, cease to have a Jewish majority. Another Temple was rebuilt by him, but is not counted as a Temple now, if it were, the coming one would be the Fourth temple instead of the Third.
352 posted on 02/26/2004 10:42:07 AM PST by Chris Talk (What Earth now is, Mars once was. What Mars now is, Earth will become.)
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To: Chris Talk
re: Another Temple was rebuilt by him, but is not counted as a Temple now, if it were, the coming one would be the Fourth temple instead of the Third.)))

I'm always getting confused with the Temples. I would have thought any new Temple would be the Third...hooboy.

353 posted on 02/26/2004 10:52:29 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: rmlew
Oh, I think it very unfortunate that we say "GEE-zus" in English, if only we could just say Yeshua (yuh-SHOO-uh) we would be exactly correct, and we English-speakers can say all these Hebrew words quite easily; but Latin and Greek speakers DID have a time trying to say them, in antiquity.

Yeshua means "rescue" or "salvation" in the most literal and physical sense. If we knew that an asteroid would wipe out life on Earth next month, our only hope would be if "rescue, salvation" would come from an extraterrestrial
source. [Taking some humans off the earth, rescuing them.] That is the LITERAL meaning of "salvation." And literally that is His name.
354 posted on 02/26/2004 10:53:08 AM PST by Chris Talk (What Earth now is, Mars once was. What Mars now is, Earth will become.)
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To: Mamzelle
You are right. The coming Temple IS called the third.

Scholars call the 132-135 thing the Bar Kokhba Temple.
355 posted on 02/26/2004 10:56:34 AM PST by Chris Talk (What Earth now is, Mars once was. What Mars now is, Earth will become.)
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To: rmlew; All
Sorry there, in my post above I put [ge'ulah] into the bracket after "Exile." That of course, should read "golah."

Ge'ulah is the Opposite, "REDEMPTION."

Been awhile, 30+ yrs since I studied this, it is starting to show.
356 posted on 02/26/2004 10:59:41 AM PST by Chris Talk (What Earth now is, Mars once was. What Mars now is, Earth will become.)
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To: sobieski
"Our democratic ally that shares our values..."

Wrong, we don't ban movies in this country.

357 posted on 02/26/2004 11:03:01 AM PST by chronotrigger (I'msmartbecauseiatesomeoneelse'sbrain)
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To: chronotrigger
Israel has not banned it.
358 posted on 02/26/2004 11:42:09 AM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: alisasny
Did you notice that the baby had been scourged and did not have a baby face but a mans face?

I took it as an image of anti-Christ.

359 posted on 02/26/2004 11:49:51 AM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: Salem
This thread is fascinating to me. Pardon me if I chime in with my 2 cents worth.

I get the opportunity to see this same argument from both aspects because I am a devout Christian and my wife is equally devout and Jewish.

It doesnt hurt Christians to learn about Judaism, the same as it doesnt hurt Jews to understand Christians. If both sides understand the strengths and differences of each faith, both sides can accept each other and go on to solve other issues that are much more pressing than this 2000 year old battle. Both sides can learn from each other, of that I am certain.

I see a totally unnecessary clashing of two cultures over the issue of a movie which hits both sides in two different ways.

I understand the Jewish fear of persecution, and understand they have real reasons to fear persecution based on historical experience. As for me and mine, I will do everything I can to allay that fear for them with my actions and words, as well as my continued financial support to Jewish causes I have been contributing to for many years.

From my perspective, this emnity was foretold in the Bible and will continue to exist as long as both sides wait for their respective Messiah. No one will win an argument over it, and no one will prove a point that will defeat the others point of view. Only the Messiah can solve this problem, and I believe both faiths agree on this.

We, as Christians, dont need to degenerate in our support for Israel or the Diaspora Jews while another totally apostate and demoniac faith (in my opinion) threatens to totally annihilate us or turn us into slaves. They are the only ones who stand to gain from this, and rest assured they will exploit any differences between Christians and Jews to their advantage.

As usual, Salem, you lead the way in dignity and respect and I thank you for your clear headed views.
360 posted on 02/26/2004 11:59:22 AM PST by judicial meanz
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