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Top Saudi Cleric Assails Terrorists
AP/YAHOO News ^ | February 1, 2004 | RAWYA RAGEH

Posted on 02/01/2004 12:03:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez

MOUNT ARAFAT, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia's top cleric called on Muslims around the world Saturday to forsake terrorism, saying those who claim to be holy warriors were an affront to the faith.

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In a sermon that was remarkable not only for its strong language but also its timing — at the peak of the annual hajj — Sheik Abdul Aziz al-Sheik told 2 million pilgrims that terrorists were giving their enemies an excuse to criticize Muslim nations.

"Is it holy war to shed Muslim blood? Is it holy war to shed the blood of non-Muslims given sanctuary in Muslim lands? Is it holy war to destroy the possessions of Muslims?" he asked.

A large number of the victims of suicide attacks in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq (news - web sites) and elsewhere have been been Muslims.

Al-Sheik, who is widely respected in the Arab world as the foremost cleric in the country considered the birthplace of Islam, spoke at Namira Mosque in a televised sermon watched by millions of Muslims in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states.

The mosque is close to Mount Arafat, where the pilgrims converged Saturday for the climax of their annual trek. This year's hajj has been carried out amid heightened security after a year of terror attacks in the kingdom.

In speaking of terrorists who killed fellow Muslims, al-Sheik was clearly referring to the Prophet Muhammad's final sermon, delivered on Mount Arafat 14 centuries ago.

It contained the line: "Know that every Muslim is a Muslim's brother, and the Muslims are brethren. Fighting between them should be avoided."

Al-Sheik also criticized the international community, accusing it of attacking Wahhabism, the sect whose strict interpretation of Islam is followed in Saudi Arabia.

"This country is based on this religion and will remain steadfast on it," he said.

"Islam forbids all forms of injustice, killing without just cause, treachery ... hijacking of planes, boats and transportation means," he said.

Saudi Arabia came under Western pressure after the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, in which 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens.

The Saudi government conducted a crackdown on extremist groups after suicide bombers attacked housing compounds inhabited by foreigners in May. Saudi and U.S. officials blamed the attack, and a similar suicide bombing in November, on groups linked to al-Qaida, which is led by the Saudi-born Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).

On Thursday, suspected terrorists shot dead six Saudi security personnel in a shootout in a house in suburban Riyadh.

In total last year, bombings in Saudi Arabia killed 51 people, including eight Americans. Saudi and U.S. officials have blamed the bin Laden's al-Qaida network. Bin Laden is a Saudi exile.

U.S. officials have been encouraging Saudis to crack down on financing for terrorism via religious charities and curtail teaching of religious extremism in schools as well as mount a campaign to undercut popular support al-Qaida.

Liberal intellectuals in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait also called for such revisions in the teaching of Islam in schools and mosques.

Governments in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Jordan have taken steps toward purging school books of terms offensive to other religions, and reformers argue that change should start by lessening the religious grip on education.

Al-Sheik warned against "changing the religion's basics" in school curricula.

"The minds of youth in the Islamic nation need to be shielded with Islamic sharia (law) and good manners and deeds. The nation's future generations will only be reformed by what reformed the past generations," he said.

Pilgrim Mustafa al-Shawwaf, a Canadian of Syrian origin, said he agreed that terrorists had tarnished Islam. He criticized Muslim fundamentalists, including the Wahhabis, for practicing an exclusive form of the faith.

"Such rigidity of thought needs to be changed," he said.

The pilgrims arrived at Mount Arafat in the early hours of Saturday. Worshippers of all ages and origins, moving slowly, shoulder-to-shoulder, shaded themselves from the sun with white umbrellas, chanting in unison "at thy service, at thy service, oh God."

Emergency workers directed the crowd as it converged 12 miles southwest of Mecca, in a ritual believed to represent the Day of Judgment, when Islam says every person will stand before Allah, or God, and answer for his deeds.

Temperatures approached 86 degrees. The sunshine made parasols a popular purchase at $1.30 each, and street vendors sold fruit, prayer mats and drinks. Along the path to Mount Arafat, sprinklers mounted on poles cooled worshippers. Free water and milk were handed out.

"This is the worst day for the devil, when he sees thousands of Muslims gathered in such a show of force and piety," said Egyptian Abdel Aziz al-Jezairi.

Fatima Farouk, a Nigerian, said that despite the demanding journey, she was thrilled "because after Mount Arafat, you're almost promised heaven."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Islam Faces a New Era
by Munawar A. Anees
"Yet it is pointless for Muslims to write endless critiques of Orientalism without producing an equivalent set of ideas. While the West is armed to the teeth with tools for comprehending the Muslim ethos, where is the Muslim scholarship that can lay claim to a comprehensive perception of Western ideological shifts? Where is the Muslim critique of modernity, postmodernism, structuralism, globalization?

"...Islam is not intrinsically opposed to ideals of justice, equality, and human dignity. It is folly to assume that technological sophistication or economic prosperity need weaken, or run counter to, religious belief.

"Meanwhile, at some distance from the ivory tower lies the grim reality of much of the Muslim world: poverty; mass illiteracy; want of basic hygiene and primary health facilities; lack of fundamental liberties of religion and speech; little protection from state persecution. The revolution in Iran raised the hopes of the dispossessed and disadvantaged masses for an Islamic revival; two decades later, we see the movement deteriorating in strength and falling victim to sectarian strife."

61 posted on 02/01/2004 9:14:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("our motto is 'Peace -- through superior firepower!'")
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To: Cindy; Salvation; Davea
fyi ...
62 posted on 02/01/2004 9:15:45 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Pilgrim Mustafa al-Shawwaf, a Canadian of Syrian origin, said he agreed that terrorists had tarnished Islam. He criticized Muslim fundamentalists, including the Wahhabis, for practicing an exclusive form of the faith."
63 posted on 02/01/2004 9:19:05 PM PST by nuconvert ("Why do you have to be a nonconformist like everybody else?")
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Here's my point, nearly every one of your passages is obviosuly part of a bigger section, most of them are parsed from parts of the Qur'an where Muslims are being instructed to fend off invaders, and those who would suppress their right to practice their religion.

Uh, no, you are wrong, you need to read the Koran before you defend it. They clearly say to take over the earth and kill those who will not submit to slavery or convert.

The Old Testament can be equally parsed to make it appear that Christians are barbaric, vengeful people because our Holy Book instructs us to be that way.

That by no means is what the Bible teaches. Don't you feel a little uncomfortable defending the Moslems Jihad saying they are just defending themselves and attacking the Victims saying they are vengeful people? Two lies, both to support Mohammad, and claim to be a Christian too! I suspect that your clear ignorance of the foundational teachings of Christianity indicates that there are three lies going on here...

64 posted on 02/01/2004 9:19:43 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
thank you.
65 posted on 02/01/2004 9:21:52 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
Whose Land Is Israel?
by Vendyl Jones
"This Land belongs neither to the Jews nor the Arabs. I have a title deed here that shows to whom it belongs." I took out a photograph of the above satellite image and pointed out the perfect Hebrew words "Ki-Luz-HaShem-Efraiyim." The accountant was aghast. "How did you make that?" he inquired. When I had to explain that these were just the shadows of the mountains and that the words were written there since the creation, he was dumbfounded. He took the picture and showed it to everyone in the garage.
I'd quibble -- those words were written there when the lands were changed at the time the Valley of Siddim became the basin of the Dead Sea ("that is, the Salt Sea", as it says in the parts of the Bible related to the Conquest), i.e., the destruction of the Cities of the Plain.
66 posted on 02/01/2004 9:22:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (They had forsaken Him, but He never forsook them.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The proof of the ultimate worth of any government is revealed by the quality of life of its people. Islamist governments have proven conclusively to the world that they are inferior. This is why they want to see the "others" destroyed. But in the end, it is they who will be destroyed. Their "vision" is an evil nightmare and a failure. Time will tell. Locked and loaded.
67 posted on 02/01/2004 9:25:51 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: American in Israel
"That by no means is what the Bible teaches."

I can parse The Holy Bible to make it appear that God wishes all who oppose Him destroyed.

Or don't you believe that I can?

If I do that, it would be similar to what Muslim extremists do with the Qur'an.

68 posted on 02/01/2004 9:26:09 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I'd say the land belongs to Israel and Jerusalem as well ... from the NT as well as the OT ...
69 posted on 02/01/2004 9:27:33 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
The Evil Isn't Islam
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
July 30, 2002
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"ISLAM IS EVIL." That's the message a U.S. Secret Service agent illicitly left on an Islamic prayer calendar on July 18 as he was raiding a suspected al Qaeda operative in Dearborn, Mich.

His crude graffito sums up a point of view increasingly heard since 9/11 in the United States. It's also one that is troubling and wrong.

Here is the rub: It is a mistake to blame Islam (a religion 14 centuries old) for the evil that should be ascribed to militant Islam (a totalitarian ideology less than a century old). The terrorism of al Qaeda, Hamas, the Iranian government and other Islamists results from the ideas of such contemporary radicals as Osama bin Laden and Ayatollah Khomeini, not from the Koran.

To which you might respond: But bin Laden and Khomeini get their ideas from the Koran. And they are only continuing a pattern of Muslim aggression that is centuries old.

Not exactly. Let's look closer at both points:

* Aggressive Islam: The Koran and other authoritative Islamic scriptures do contain incitements against non-Muslims. The eminent historian Paul Johnson, for example, cites two Koranic verses: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers will you find the Jews and Pagans" (Sura 5, verse 85) and "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them." (9:5).

* Aggressive Muslims: Fourteen centuries of Islam have witnessed a long history of Muslims engaged in jihad (holy war) to expand the area under Islamic rule, from the early conquests of the caliphs to what Samuel Huntington terms Islam's "bloody borders" today.

Yes, these points are accurate. But they are one side of the story.

* Mild Islam: Like other sacred writings, the Koran can be mined for quotes to support opposing arguments. In this case, Karen Armstrong, a bestselling apologist for Islam, quotes two gentler passages from the Koran: "There must be no coercion in matters of faith!" (2:256) and "O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another." (49:13).

* Mild Muslims: There have been occasions of Muslim moderation and tolerance, such as those in long-ago Sicily and Spain. And in one telling example, Mark R. Cohen notes that "The Jews of Islam, especially during the formative and classical centuries (up to the 13th century), experienced much less persecution than did the Jews of Christendom."

In other words, Islam's scriptures and history show variation.

At present, admittedly, it is hard to recall the positive side, at a moment when backwardness, resentment, extremism and violence prevail in so much of the Muslim world. But the present is not typical of Islam's long history; indeed, it may be the worst era in that entire history.

Things can get better. But it will not be easy. That requires that Muslims tackle the huge challenge of adapting their faith to the realities of modern life.

What does that mean in practical terms? Here are some examples:

Five hundred years ago, Jews, Christians and Muslims agreed that owning slaves was acceptable but paying interest on money was not. After bitter, protracted debates, Jews and Christians changed their minds. Today, no Jewish or Christian body endorses slavery or has religious qualms about paying reasonable interest.

Muslims, in contrast, still think the old way. Slavery still exists in a host of majority-Muslim countries (especially Sudan and Mauritania, also Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) and it is a taboo subject. To enable pious Muslims to avoid interest, an Islamic financial industry worth an estimated $150 billion has developed.

The challenge ahead is clear: Muslims must emulate their fellow monotheists by modernizing their religion with regard to slavery, interest and much else. No more fighting jihad to impose Muslim rule. No more endorsement of suicide terrorism. No more second-class citizenship for non-Muslims.

No more death penalty for adultery or "honor" killings of women. No more death sentences for blasphemy or apostasy.

Rather than rail on about Islam's alleged "evil," it behooves everyone - Muslim and non-Muslim alike - to help modernize this civilization.

That is the ultimate message of 9/11. It is much deeper and more ambitious than Western governments presently seem to realize.
70 posted on 02/01/2004 9:27:51 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Islam forbids all forms of injustice, killing without just cause, treachery ... hijacking of planes, boats and transportation means"

Islam is as Islam does.
71 posted on 02/01/2004 9:27:55 PM PST by EaglesUpForever
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To: risk
Sure, it's nice that he spelled it out, but I think most people figured it out a couple of years ago, in early September I believe it was...
72 posted on 02/01/2004 9:28:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (smashing a pie in Sheik Abdul Aziz al-Sheik's face would be fine, but hanging him would be better)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

"The hottest fires in hell are reserved for those who remain neutral in times of moral crisis." --Edmund Burke

73 posted on 02/01/2004 9:30:17 PM PST by risk
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Rather than rail on about Islam's alleged "evil," it behooves everyone - Muslim and non-Muslim alike - to help modernize this civilization.

Since it is Islam that has been attacking the West, I suggest we start reforming them by killing their radical elements. After we have killed enough of those, and they stand down, and their "moderates" (where-ever they are) step forward, we can discuss modernization (with which I agree).

74 posted on 02/01/2004 9:32:52 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
"Since it is Islam that has been attacking the West, I suggest we start reforming them by killing their radical elements."

One slight correction...Islam does nothing, Islam is an idea. The West is being attacked by distinct groups and individuals within Islam, and yes, we begin the reform by eliminating the radical elements.

Let's not forget that we attacked the Taliban with the help of Muslims, and Muslims fought alongside US troops in Iraq. Let's not forget that Muslim countries supported both attacks on Iraq, as well as the defeat of the Taliban. Let's not be blind to the obvious fact that radical Muslims are killing Muslims by the hundreds with their terrorist attacks.

75 posted on 02/01/2004 9:40:54 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: American in Israel
"They are taught to accecpt others that are not Christians"

Oh yeah?

All I've done is raise the possibility that ALL Muslims are not jihadists, and I've already been condemned to Hell by the Holy Rollers on this thread.

76 posted on 02/01/2004 9:44:01 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

This is what it's like to be attacked by an idea.

77 posted on 02/01/2004 9:44:51 PM PST by risk
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To: Luis Gonzalez
It's a galliant effort. You just can't get thru to some people. BTW - there are serious discussions regarding modernizing the Koran. AS we know, most muslims don't even read the Koran. The fact that muslims are talking about the need to modernize is a very good sign. It gives hope that things are heading in a better direction for islam.
78 posted on 02/01/2004 9:48:35 PM PST by nuconvert ("Why do you have to be a nonconformist like everybody else?")
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To: Luis Gonzalez
It isn't just their book, Luis. Actions. Actions by many of them around the world..........for many years. Actions and words of their religious leaders. Calls for Jihad; for martyrdom, for the destruction of Israel and her allies.

Those things simply cannot be "parsed" or "twisted", Luis. They're fact, and all too representative of the Muslim mindset.

79 posted on 02/01/2004 9:56:43 PM PST by RightOnline
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