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Top Saudi Cleric Assails Terrorists
AP/YAHOO News ^ | February 1, 2004 | RAWYA RAGEH

Posted on 02/01/2004 12:03:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez

MOUNT ARAFAT, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia's top cleric called on Muslims around the world Saturday to forsake terrorism, saying those who claim to be holy warriors were an affront to the faith.

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In a sermon that was remarkable not only for its strong language but also its timing — at the peak of the annual hajj — Sheik Abdul Aziz al-Sheik told 2 million pilgrims that terrorists were giving their enemies an excuse to criticize Muslim nations.

"Is it holy war to shed Muslim blood? Is it holy war to shed the blood of non-Muslims given sanctuary in Muslim lands? Is it holy war to destroy the possessions of Muslims?" he asked.

A large number of the victims of suicide attacks in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq (news - web sites) and elsewhere have been been Muslims.

Al-Sheik, who is widely respected in the Arab world as the foremost cleric in the country considered the birthplace of Islam, spoke at Namira Mosque in a televised sermon watched by millions of Muslims in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states.

The mosque is close to Mount Arafat, where the pilgrims converged Saturday for the climax of their annual trek. This year's hajj has been carried out amid heightened security after a year of terror attacks in the kingdom.

In speaking of terrorists who killed fellow Muslims, al-Sheik was clearly referring to the Prophet Muhammad's final sermon, delivered on Mount Arafat 14 centuries ago.

It contained the line: "Know that every Muslim is a Muslim's brother, and the Muslims are brethren. Fighting between them should be avoided."

Al-Sheik also criticized the international community, accusing it of attacking Wahhabism, the sect whose strict interpretation of Islam is followed in Saudi Arabia.

"This country is based on this religion and will remain steadfast on it," he said.

"Islam forbids all forms of injustice, killing without just cause, treachery ... hijacking of planes, boats and transportation means," he said.

Saudi Arabia came under Western pressure after the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, in which 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens.

The Saudi government conducted a crackdown on extremist groups after suicide bombers attacked housing compounds inhabited by foreigners in May. Saudi and U.S. officials blamed the attack, and a similar suicide bombing in November, on groups linked to al-Qaida, which is led by the Saudi-born Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).

On Thursday, suspected terrorists shot dead six Saudi security personnel in a shootout in a house in suburban Riyadh.

In total last year, bombings in Saudi Arabia killed 51 people, including eight Americans. Saudi and U.S. officials have blamed the bin Laden's al-Qaida network. Bin Laden is a Saudi exile.

U.S. officials have been encouraging Saudis to crack down on financing for terrorism via religious charities and curtail teaching of religious extremism in schools as well as mount a campaign to undercut popular support al-Qaida.

Liberal intellectuals in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait also called for such revisions in the teaching of Islam in schools and mosques.

Governments in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Jordan have taken steps toward purging school books of terms offensive to other religions, and reformers argue that change should start by lessening the religious grip on education.

Al-Sheik warned against "changing the religion's basics" in school curricula.

"The minds of youth in the Islamic nation need to be shielded with Islamic sharia (law) and good manners and deeds. The nation's future generations will only be reformed by what reformed the past generations," he said.

Pilgrim Mustafa al-Shawwaf, a Canadian of Syrian origin, said he agreed that terrorists had tarnished Islam. He criticized Muslim fundamentalists, including the Wahhabis, for practicing an exclusive form of the faith.

"Such rigidity of thought needs to be changed," he said.

The pilgrims arrived at Mount Arafat in the early hours of Saturday. Worshippers of all ages and origins, moving slowly, shoulder-to-shoulder, shaded themselves from the sun with white umbrellas, chanting in unison "at thy service, at thy service, oh God."

Emergency workers directed the crowd as it converged 12 miles southwest of Mecca, in a ritual believed to represent the Day of Judgment, when Islam says every person will stand before Allah, or God, and answer for his deeds.

Temperatures approached 86 degrees. The sunshine made parasols a popular purchase at $1.30 each, and street vendors sold fruit, prayer mats and drinks. Along the path to Mount Arafat, sprinklers mounted on poles cooled worshippers. Free water and milk were handed out.

"This is the worst day for the devil, when he sees thousands of Muslims gathered in such a show of force and piety," said Egyptian Abdel Aziz al-Jezairi.

Fatima Farouk, a Nigerian, said that despite the demanding journey, she was thrilled "because after Mount Arafat, you're almost promised heaven."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsheik; islam; polemics; saudiarabia; sheikabdul; sheikhabdul; wot
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To: Travis McGee; SunkenCiv
Agreed, and this thread is beyond help.

In a sermon that was remarkable not only for its strong language but also its timing — at the peak of the annual hajj — Sheik Abdul Aziz al-Sheik told 2 million pilgrims that terrorists were giving their enemies an excuse to criticize Muslim nations.

Notice the word "enemies." Not fellow citizens of the world. Not members of other civilizations. Not Israelis, Americans, Australians, and Britons.

He said the word, we didn't: "Enemies."

41 posted on 02/01/2004 8:48:05 PM PST by risk
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To: Luis Gonzalez
don't change the topic ... the two books paint a contradictory picture of Christ ... if you're a Christian as you claim to be, and I'll accept your statement, then you cannot accept the portrait of Christ in the qur'an ... it's as simple as that ...

there are a dozen other points but this one is critical enough ... if you don't know the difference, you don't have an understanding of the Gospel of Christ ... if you did, you would not accept the koran as "holy" ... it is plain and simple ...
42 posted on 02/01/2004 8:49:23 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Holy Qur'an, and in turn Islam

I don't understand how someone can claim Christianity and call the qur'an "holy" ...
43 posted on 02/01/2004 8:51:30 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: risk
"Enemies."

bingo. you win the prize.
44 posted on 02/01/2004 8:52:41 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: All
Sorry, Islam is an effront to civilized humanity.


http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm
45 posted on 02/01/2004 8:55:49 PM PST by Stopislamnow (Islam is a boil on the rear end of the earth and its nations.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Is it holy war to shed Muslim blood? Is it holy war to shed the blood of non-Muslims given sanctuary in Muslim lands? Is it holy war to destroy the possessions of Muslims?" he asked.

A very limited list, that says that it is ok to slaughter anybody in non Moslem land. Even when they are speaking peace, they are a blood thirsty lot.

47 posted on 02/01/2004 8:58:10 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Hey Bobby, are Christians taught by The Bible to accept religions other than Christianity?

They are taught to accecpt others that are not Christians, not slaughter them to please God. That is a big difference that "somehow" you over looked.

48 posted on 02/01/2004 8:59:53 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Bobby777
I don't understand how you can consider yourself a Christian, and hold so much hatred for other creatures of God, because we are all His children Bobby...Muslims, Christians...He created us all.

And if you don't believe that, then you're no Christian.
49 posted on 02/01/2004 9:00:15 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
regardless of your insult I will ask you this: try to answer without insults please ...

1) Do you believe Christ is a member of the Holy Trinity?

2) Do you believe that Christ died for your sins?

3) Do you believe that Christ rose from the dead?

4) Do you believe Christ was the Incarnate Son of God?

Since you claim to be a Christian, I'd like to hear your answer to these questions ... I believe all 4 are true ...
50 posted on 02/01/2004 9:02:58 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: American in Israel
There are a billion Muslims in the world, several living within walking distance from me right now.

They do not adhere to your interpretation of THEIR religion, as do the peaceful 90%+ of world-wide Muslims.

So, somewhere along the way, YOUR interpretation of their beliefs must be wrong.

As far as Christians not believing in slaughtering people in the name of God....do you REALLY want to go there?
51 posted on 02/01/2004 9:03:19 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You do err because you know not the Scriptures ... the New Testament says you become the children of God by Accepting Christ ... the Gospel is offered to all, but not all accept it ...
52 posted on 02/01/2004 9:04:04 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Rollee
Yeah, that's how it works in practice. But then again, Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi sez: "Using Islam as a basis for preventing Arabs from recognizing any sovereign right of Jews over the Land of Israel is new. Such beliefs are not found in classical Islamic sources. Concluding that anti Zionism is the logical outgrowth of Islamic faith is wrong. This conclusion represents the false transformation of Islam from a religion into a secularized ideology."
53 posted on 02/01/2004 9:04:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You are not well-educated in the New Testament ... you are in error ... you have also not answered all 4 questions, which by the way, are denied specifically in the koran ...
55 posted on 02/01/2004 9:06:45 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: nuconvert
ping
56 posted on 02/01/2004 9:08:35 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: Bobby777
Go play elsewhere, I am not interested.
57 posted on 02/01/2004 9:09:06 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi also sez:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of G-d unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which G-d has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" (4) (Qur'an 5:20-21)

Moreover - and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Holy Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" (5) (Qur'an 17:104)


58 posted on 02/01/2004 9:09:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (the Crusades were waged in self-defense, but not effectively enough)
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To: SunkenCiv
Muslim extremists are using a new interpretation of the Holy Qur'an to incite the uneducated masses into believing that it is their duty to fight Jews and Christians.

Here's Daniel Pipe's take on the whole thing.

59 posted on 02/01/2004 9:13:25 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
if someone is a Christian I should think the answer is easy ... and since the Bible states one thing and the koran states the opposite, the two cannot be reconciled ... that is the point ...

I know what I believe and the koran denies it ... it's simple for me ... Christ is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, He is the Incarnate Son of God, He died for all, but receives only those who accept His Free Gift of Salvation, He died on the Cross Himself and was resurrected the Third Day ...

the koran says this is all false ... in fact, a popular Islamic book is titled "Crucifixion or CruciFICTION?" ... they do not believe the Crucifixion of Christ took place; rather someone else took His place ... just one of many errors regarding the Gospel of Christ ...

I shall not deny it ... I shall affirm it ... I shall not accept a book that says it is false ... period ...
60 posted on 02/01/2004 9:14:17 PM PST by Bobby777
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