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Russia, US can collaborate in Mars exploration: Putin
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| 1.27.04
| AFP
Posted on 01/26/2004 2:32:41 PM PST by ambrose
Last Update: Tuesday, January 27, 2004. 1:03am (AEDT)
Russia, US can collaborate in Mars exploration: Putin
Russia and the United States can collaborate in exploring Mars, Russian President Vladimir Putin told US Secretary of State Colin Powell in talks on Monday.
Congratulating the envoy on the US mission that has seen two probes land on the surface of the Red Planet in the past three weeks, Mr Putin said that Russia "has noted with interest President Bush's ambitious plans for the conquest of Mars," the Interfax news agency reported.
"I believe that in this area there are things we can do together," Mr Putin said.
Mr Powell for his part said that he was "pleased with the developments that are on the horizon with respect to continued cooperation in space."
Mr Bush earlier this month said his administration planned to send American astronauts back to the Moon as early as 2015, perhaps to set up a base to provide a springboard for a manned mission to Mars, and invited other space powers to join in the initiative.
The initial response from Moscow was cool however.
Russian space officials hinted that Moscow was capable of launching its own Mars mission at considerably lower cost than the US proposal, but Deputy Prime Minister Boris Alyoshin said last week that "the time is not right" for such a mission.
The US probe Opportunity landed on the Mars surface on Saturday with a similar exploratory mission to Spirit, which landed on Mars on January 3 but broke down last week.
Opportunity began transmitting pictures back to Earth that US space officials described as a "scientific jackpot."
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: highfrontier; mars; marsmission; martians; moonmission; phonybaloney; putin; redplanet; roscosmos; russia; science; space; spaceexploration
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To: Pubbie
Did you say something or was that a fart?
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posted on
01/26/2004 2:56:26 PM PST
by
zarf
(..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
To: anobjectivist
Give the entire planet to the first person to live on mars for a year (privately) and return to earth alive to collect. Who's going to "give" it? Does it belong to anybody now? It would seem your statement is already true. The first person there can claim it and who will dispute them? All they have to say if someone disputes their ownership is: "Well then come and get it."
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:01:11 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: Zack Nguyen
Except New Jersey. I won't go if it includes New Jersey. Will not go I tell you.
To: Askel5
They [the Russians] have a better safety record than we do, thats a fact!! It is?
Number of U.S. astronauts killed in, going to, or coming from space = 14
Number of Russian cosmonauts killed in, going to, or coming from space = 4
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:04:50 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: Pubbie
make spaceships that can (Safely) travel much faster than the speed of light. Nine minutes to Mars is just too darned much time to waste.
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:07:17 PM PST
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: Pubbie
Yup, the private sector could definatel help. I wouldn't have a problem with a McOrbiter. Thats where you go before transfering down to the Wrigleys bubble dome and entering the Phillip Morris decontamination chambers...which btw, is the only place under the dome that smoking is allowed.
To: Pubbie
OTOH, spaceport security delay would cancel out the advantages of instantaneous travel.
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:12:09 PM PST
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: Pubbie; ElkGroveDan
I'd rather disband NASA and use the money for Tax Cuts. So you'd like to effectively kill the bulk of R&D in aerospace and throw the economy into a rapid tailspin with the immediate loss of highly-skilled workers in the science and aerospace industry. Nice move.
You think the private sector is going to fund R&D? Guess again. The private sector can't see beyond the next two quarters. NASA, on the other hand, plans at least a decade in advance.
And while we're on the subject, perhaps you should spend a little time learning about how NASA Spinoffs benefit business and consumer alike.
Space travel won't really be profitable until somenone figures out how to make spaceships that can (Safely) travel much faster than the speed of light.
What you're talking about is space travel via teleportation using coherent light as the means of transmission. We can't do that...yet. But that doesn't mean we should just sit on our thumb waiting for the canonical Holy Grail.
As for going faster than the speed of light, there's chatter about such things, but it's still in the realm of fanciful theory. And even if we did manage it, the whole issue of relativity that sci-fi shows conveniently ignore would become manifest in short order.
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:17:42 PM PST
by
Prime Choice
(Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
To: Prime Choice
The private sector can't see beyond the next two quarters.
Right, and when the fate of your project is set upon the whim of politicians and not the success of your idea, good ideas aren't ignored. /sarcasm
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:28:51 PM PST
by
anobjectivist
(The natural rights of people are more basic than those currently considered)
To: FreedomCalls
Number of U.S. astronauts killed in, going to, or coming from space = 14
Number of Russian cosmonauts killed in, going to, or coming from space = 4 Number of U.S. manned missions utilizing a reusable space vehicle (STS): 113.
Number of Russian manned missions utilizing a reusable space vehicle (Buran): 0.
If you mean to make comparisons, then it should be between comparable vehicles. A more accurate representation would consider Apollo capsules versus their Russian counterparts. In which case -- even if one includes the non-flight test which claimed the lives of Grissom, White and Chaffee -- the casualties are still lower on the American side of the equation.
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:44:55 PM PST
by
Prime Choice
(Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
To: anobjectivist
Right, and when the fate of your project is set upon the whim of politicians and not the success of your idea, good ideas aren't ignored. /sarcasm Which explains why we currently don't have two successful rovers on Mars at this very moment.
Oops. We do. Fancy that.
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:46:27 PM PST
by
Prime Choice
(Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
To: Only1choice____Freedom
With Russia's safety record, Major Tom will have some company
I hate to say this, but im willing to bet that we've lost more austronauts than the Russians, 14 since 86.
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:49:01 PM PST
by
Husker24
To: Young Rhino
LOL! I loved that movie!!
To: Prime Choice
Why do you want to be selective to your comparisons to make the U.S. safety record better? How about these statistics? Not a single American on the list.
Top Ten Astronauts by total space flight time:
- Avdeyev - 747.6 days - 3 flights
- Polyakov - 678.7 days - 2 flights
- Solovyov - 651.0 days - 5 flights
- Krikalyov - 624.4 days - 5 flights
- Afanasyev - 555.8 days - 4 flights
- Usachyov - 552.9 days - 4 flights
- Manarov - 541.0 days - 2 flights
- Viktorenko - 489.1 days - 4 flights
- Budarin - 444.1 days - 3 flights
- Kaleri - 437.4 days - 4 flights
Top Ten Single Flight Durations:
- Polyakov - Mir LD-4 - 437.7 days
- Avdeyev - Mir EO-26/-27 - 379.6 days
- Manarov - Mir EO-3 - 365.9 days
- Titov Vladimir - Mir EO-3 - 365.9 days
- Romanenko - Mir LD-1 - 326.5 days
- Krikalyov - Mir LD-3 - 311.8 days
- Polyakov - Mir LD-2 - 240.9 days
- Kizim - Salyut 7 EO-3 - 237.0 days
- Solovyov Vladimir - Salyut 7 EO-3 - 237.0 days
- Atkov - Salyut 7 EO-3 - 237.0 days
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posted on
01/26/2004 3:59:53 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: gonzo; DB; <1/1,000,000th%; 68 grunt; AdmSmith; Alamo-Girl; anymouse; balrog666; BellStar; blam; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this MARS ping list please FRail me
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posted on
01/26/2004 4:27:55 PM PST
by
Phil V.
To: FreedomCalls
Why do you want to be selective to your comparisons to make the U.S. safety record better? How about these statistics? Not a single American on the list. Once again, you're comparing apples and oranges.
If you're so impressed with the Russian space program, perhaps you can regale us with tales of their manned lunar landings, Phobos missions to Mars and the stellar flight record of the Buran.
As for the number of flights, NASA has a standing policy of rotating crews and retiring them to train other astronauts. That means our pool of qualified talent is larger than that of Russia. Hence our lack of repeat missions by our personnel is by no means some kind of badge of shame.
Moreover, the Mir project (by which your much-vaunted human-in-space records were accomplished) was little more than an endurance record issue. Not exactly what I call an astounding space-faring achievement.
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posted on
01/26/2004 4:29:00 PM PST
by
Prime Choice
(Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
To: DFW_Repub
Not if you include the Nedelin disaster - Kinda puts the poor guys way ahead...
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posted on
01/26/2004 4:35:00 PM PST
by
Frank_Discussion
(May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
To: Prime Choice
If you mean to make comparisons, then it should be between comparable vehicles. A more accurate representation would consider Apollo capsules versus their Russian counterparts. Let's look*:
Comparable vehicles:
Apollo missions: 16
Total dead: 3
18% of the missions killed their crew. Soyuz T/TM/TMA missions: 89
Total dead: 3
3% of the missions killed their crew.
Am I being too specific? OK let's compare all capsules:
Mercury/Gemini/Apollo missions: 32
Total dead: 3
9% of the missions killed their crew. Vostok/Voskhod/Soyuz missions: 101
Total dead: 4
4% of the missions killed their crew.
*All numbers are approximate -- I couldn't find the exact totals.
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posted on
01/26/2004 4:35:30 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: Frank_Discussion
Not if you include the Nedelin disaster Was anybody at the Nedelin disaster in, going to, or coming from space at the time?
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posted on
01/26/2004 4:36:59 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: ambrose
Mr Putin said that Russia "has noted with interest President Bush's ambitious plans for the conquest of Mars," the Interfax news agency reported. Conquest of Mars? Wait till the ACLU hears about this! Where are we going to imprison the Martians? Isn't Guantanamo getting rather full? Or are we building prisons on the Moon? Let's conquer the mexicans first! ;)
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posted on
01/26/2004 4:41:39 PM PST
by
roadcat
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