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To Mars . . . and beyond
The Washington Times ^ | January 19, 2004 | Donald Lambro

Posted on 01/19/2004 2:24:54 PM PST by demlosers

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

President Bush has set America on a bold new course for exploration and our aging, lethargic space program

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: lambro; mars; moon; nasa; space
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To infinity and beyond hehe...
1 posted on 01/19/2004 2:24:54 PM PST by demlosers
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To: demlosers
Yeah but, what about all that money we waste in space being used to....(insert favorite socialist agenda here)
2 posted on 01/19/2004 2:28:48 PM PST by Brett66
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To: demlosers
"But, but, but.... What about all the problems here on Earth!!!"
3 posted on 01/19/2004 2:29:42 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: Brett66
LOL!
4 posted on 01/19/2004 2:30:09 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: Brett66
It is just a rock in space! Let's feed the homeless first!
5 posted on 01/19/2004 2:32:34 PM PST by ambrose
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To: demlosers
The program itself will yield huge scientific breakthroughs that will also add to our economy's growing strength and diversity.

They said the same thing about the ISS. Now it's an admitted $100 billion mistake. But now we must ditch it and start a $1 trillion mistake.

6 posted on 01/19/2004 2:32:34 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: demlosers

7 posted on 01/19/2004 2:36:12 PM PST by ambrose
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To: demlosers
Ah, the finest tradition of America!

Takes me back to the first extraterritorial research the federal government funded:
"The United States Exploring Expedition, with six ships, was carried out under the command of Lieutenant Charles Wilkes (1798-1877). Authorization for the Expedition was signed into law by President Andrew Jackson on May 14, 1836 and the overall cost of the enterprise reached more than $900,000. The Expedition covered some 85,000 miles, carrying out scientific study and collecting in Latin America, Antarctica, the islands of the central Pacific, and the northwestern coast of North America."

Some links: THE LINDA HALL LIBRARY HISTORY OF SCIENCE COLLECTION
SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTE LIBRARIES

A million dollars in 1836 for a four year trip by six ships to map currents and draw pictures of flora and fauna - wow that young country really thought they were Hot Stuff!

8 posted on 01/19/2004 2:37:18 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: demlosers
Forget Mars.

We should be heading toward Mercury. (Of course land on the poles where there isn't the temp extremes).

Unlike Mars we are sure there is already lots of water there, There is even hydrogen and oxygen in the Atmosphere so we can make fuel while there.

It's on average closer than Mars so we can get to and from it more often and easier. Being lighter it would be easier to blast off for the return trip.

And being so dense there is probably lots of valuable Heavy Metals unlike Mars which is basically just Rust.



10 posted on 01/19/2004 2:43:08 PM PST by qam1 (Are Republicans the party of Reagan or the party of Bloomberg and Pataki?)
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To: demlosers
In 1989, Mr. Bush's father, worrying about "this vision thing," also proposed a mission to the moon and Mars, but fiefdom battles in NASA, resistance in the Democratic Congress and a growing deficit killed the idea

So to substitute he make businesses spend Billions on the Americans for Disabilities Act. Yep, that's my kind of vision.

11 posted on 01/19/2004 2:45:25 PM PST by Digger
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To: Moonman62
They said the same thing about the ISS. Now it's an admitted $100 billion mistake.

True

But now we must ditch it and start a $1 trillion mistake.

Not true, had the station been built as Reagan intended, it would not be a $100 Billion waste product. Thank Xlinton and the Rats for that.

12 posted on 01/19/2004 2:47:34 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: qam1
I don't think we (yet) have the technology necessary to survive more than 30 seconds or so on Mercury.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=31093

However, radar studies in 1965 showed a period of rotation of 58.6 days. This results in periods of daylight and night of 90 earth days each, with the daylight temperatures reaching as high as 800°F (450°C). Night temperatures are believed to drop as low as ?300°F (?184°C).
13 posted on 01/19/2004 2:57:33 PM PST by ambrose
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To: qam1
We should be heading toward Mercury. (Of course land on the poles where there isn't the temp extremes).

Do you happen to know the average temperture at Mercury's poles?

Perhaps you would like to volunteer.

14 posted on 01/19/2004 2:58:39 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard
From http://observe.arc.nasa.gov/nasa/ootw/1999/ootw_991013/ob991013.html

Does Mercury harbor water ice in some of its polar craters?

Radar images of Mercury indicate that the large craters at the planet's poles are highly reflective. The most straightforward explanation is that the reflective material is water ice. Because Mercury's rotation axis is nearly perpendicular to the plane of its orbit around the Sun, the interiors of the polar craters are in permanent shadow and, despite the planet's closeness to the Sun, extremely cold (lower than -300° F). Two of Messenger's instruments will measure whether Mercury's polar craters contain hydrogen, a constituent of water, or whether the reflective material is something else, such as sulfur that over eons has escaped from surface minerals.

OK, So don't go deep into the interior of the craters. Find a transitional zone by the top and run a pipe down to the water.

15 posted on 01/19/2004 3:07:37 PM PST by qam1 (Are Republicans the party of Reagan or the party of Bloomberg and Pataki?)
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To: Kennard
"Amazingly, radar observations of Mercury's north pole (a region not mapped by Mariner 10) show evidence of water ice in the protected shadows of some craters."
http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/mercury.html
16 posted on 01/19/2004 3:08:08 PM PST by ambrose
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To: qam1
Although Mercury is, for the most part without water, shaded areas near the poles are permanently frozen and water ice may exist there.

If we sent a mission to mercury, would we be able to give the spacecraft enough propulsion to return to earth orbit ... perhaps nuclear power?

17 posted on 01/19/2004 3:14:01 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard
If we sent a mission to mercury, would we be able to give the spacecraft enough propulsion to return to earth orbit ... perhaps nuclear power?

Why not? If Mars is possible so should Mercury.

It may be closer to the sun but still Mercury is about ½ the mass of Mars with less of an atmosphere so to blast off the surface would require less fuel. It's on average closer to Earth than Mars so you wouldn't have the total distance to and from as you would with Mars. And there is always Venus with can give a boost both going and coming(remember Venus boosted Cassini onto Saturn). And there is Hydrogen in the atmosphere and surface of Mercury so you can make more fuel unlike Mars where you can't make fuel out of Rust.

And speaking of Nuclear propulsion, There is Helium in Mercury's atmosphere and in it's rocks (where there is most likely a lot) and unlike Earth's Helium the much of the Helium on Mercury is probably in the form of He³ which is supposedly a target fuel for (cold?)fusion.

18 posted on 01/19/2004 3:45:36 PM PST by qam1 (Are Republicans the party of Reagan or the party of Bloomberg and Pataki?)
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To: Dead Dog
Not true, had the station been built as Reagan intended, it would not be a $100 Billion waste product. Thank Xlinton and the Rats for that.

Well, why don't we go back and build the station Reagan intended?

19 posted on 01/19/2004 4:06:36 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: qam1
We should be heading toward Mercury.

Yeah, but only at night when the sun's not shining.

20 posted on 01/19/2004 4:11:44 PM PST by Rudder
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