Conservative groups break with Republican leadership

The Washington Times ^ | 1/16/2004 | Ralph Z. Hallow

[Ricardo4CP]

National leaders of six conservative organizations yesterday broke with the Republican majorities in the House and Senate, accusing them of spending like "drunken sailors," and had some strong words for President Bush as well...

[Ricardo4CP]

*PINNNG!*

[quidnunc]

The CONSTITUTION Party?

(snicker)

[Ricardo4CP]

*C PING!*

[Veritas_est]

What is this ping list? Constitution Party news?

[B Knotts]

I don't think the Constitution Party stands much of a chance but it's about time some of these groups did something like this to get the GOP's attention.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Yep, let's fragment the party into 6 pieces and put Howard Dean in the White House this November. /sarcasm

Personally, the energy is best spent putting Conservative members of Congress in place, to get Bush onto a more Conservative agenda.

[rdb3]

I thought solicitations were a no-no at Free Republic?

[jgrubbs]

Constitution Party Bump!

[Columbine]

The Constitution Party breaks with Republican leadership???

What kind of bait and switch is this thread???

When, pray tell, did the Constitution Party ever support the Republican Party???

[xzins]

R4CP, I hate to be a spoil sport, but the Constitution Party has not done the work in the 3 years since the last election to increase its ranks and its national presence. It is still a statistically insignificant party in terms of the general election.

In the years since the 2000 election they have been guilty of negligence in not growing their party.

Therefore, in terms of probability, there is effectively, a ZERO chance that they will win the 2004 election.

I can state with close to absolute certainty that the winning candidate will be either the Republican or the Democratic candidate. Anyone who does not see that is simply ignoring it.

Said with respect and not out of belligerence.

X

[PersonalLiberties]

If not for all of the religious stuff you would have a better chance. IMHO

[putupon]

I thought solicitations were a no-no at Free Republic?

Everything's a no-no at FR except licking Commissar Bush's boots.

[jgrubbs]

Personally, the energy is best spent putting Conservative members of Congress in place, to get Bush onto a more Conservative agenda.

Bush ignores the few Conservative members of Congress that are there, just ask Ron Paul. If Bush wanted a Conservative agenda he would pursue one, but he doesn't because he is not a real Conservative.

[Ricardo4CP]

Perhaps Quidnunc is OK with the status quo of the budget-busting bipartianship of the new GOP.

(LOL)

"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave, and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature." - James Garfield

[Columbine]

Personally, the energy is best spent putting Conservative members of Congress in place, to get Bush onto a more Conservative agenda.

Exactly!

Some of these folks who come around trying to split the Republicans are straight out of DU.

[jimkress]

Yep, let's fragment the party into 6 pieces and put Howard Dean in the White House this November. /sarcasm

You won't see much difference from what's there today.

The only difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that the Democrats want the US ruled by a combination of national and international despots while the Republicans will settle for tyranny by just national despots. The end result is the same - the destruction of our freedom.

Given the objectives of both parties are the same, how can anyone justify supporting either party?

Save America from the tyranny of Republican/Democrat hegemony. Support the Constitution Party.

[anniegetyourgun]

Which is why you are able to post such ugly stuff!

[lainie]

The six:

1. Paul M. Weyrich, national chairman of Coalitions for America
2. Paul Beckner, president of Citizens for a Sound Economy, (whose co-chairman is former House Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas)
3. Richard Lessner, executive director of the American Conservative Union
4. Citizens Against Government Waste
5. Club for Growth
6. National Taxpayers Union

"A lot of Senate Republicans will be speaking at CPAC, and the grass-roots conservatives attending won't be shy about their displeasure"

Sure wish I could go.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

You are right on Congress, however, the administration needs to get back in line.

[deport]

How many members do you have in the CP in GE?

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

I'm afraid your response is closer to the truth than many would want to admit.

[Ricardo4CP]

It was only a matter of time.

After three years of trying to out-do the Clinton administration with regard to using the federal treasury to solidify their control in Washington, conservative leaders who still have a conscience are beginning to revolt. The Washington Times reports that "national leaders of six conservative organizations yesterday broke with the Republican majorities in the House and Senate, accusing them of spending like 'drunken sailors,' and had some strong words for President Bush as well." This is not some wild liberal-inspired tirade but rather the frustration of conservative leaders who see no end to the RNC's actions. Read the story here:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040115-112447-9758r

Compare the Bush administration's fiscal policy as noted in the attached article with that of the Constitution Party:

The only legitimate purpose of civil government is to safeguard the God-given rights of its citizens; namely, life, liberty, and property. Only those duties, functions, and programs specifically assigned to the federal government by the Constitution should be funded. We call upon Congress and the President to stop all federal expenditures which are not specifically authorized by the U. S. Constitution, and to restore to the states those powers, programs, and sources of revenue that the federal government has usurped.

We call upon the President to use his Constitutional veto power to stop irresponsible and unconstitutional appropriations, and use his Constitutional authority to refuse to spend any money appropriated by Congress for unconstitutional programs or in excess of Constitutionally imposed tax revenue.

We call for the systematic reduction of the federal debt through, but not limited to, the elimination of further borrowing and the elimination of unconstitutional programs and agencies.

We reject the misleading use of the terms surplus and balanced budget as long as public debt remains. We oppose dishonest accounting practices such as "off-budget items" used to hide unconstitutional spending practices...

(From Constitution Party National Platform: Cost of Big Government -- http://www.constitutionparty.com/ustp-99p1.html#Costofgov)

In light of the past three years performance of the Republican controlled federal legislature and the Bush administration, those that call themselves "fiscal conservatives" who continue to support President Bush and the GOP need to be asked whose fiscal policies are they trying to conserve? On what basis do they excuse such blatant socialist policies such as the recent $400 billion prescription drug benefit passed by a Republican controlled Congress and signed by Mr. Bush?

At this point we can either continue to repeat the empty Republican promises about fiscal restraint or roll up our sleeves and get to work to fix the problem by joining the Constitution Party and elect candidates who are serious about fighting for fiscal sanity.

If not now, when?

[BigSkyFreeper]

He doesn't ignore them, they're persona non grata in my opinion. Had there been ANY Conservatives in Congress, they wouldn't have let the Democrats run roughshod over Bush's judicial nominees, basically cowering in the corner every time the radically liberal Schmuck Schumer put up that chart of his that simply said "169 to 4".

[deport]

GE? = GA?

[Columbine]

If not now, when?

How about after you people do some hard work, raise some money, establish yourself with elected candidates in all 50 states?

And how about after you set up your own forums and quit sponging off other people.

[rdb3]

Everything's a no-no at FR except licking Commisar Bush's boots.

Oh? Then why are you still here if it is so bad? You make it sound intolerable, yet you betray your own self by remaining here.

Interesting.

[normy]

Personally, the energy is best spent putting Conservative members of Congress in place, to get Bush onto a more Conservative agenda

Exactly! That is what these guys were voted in for. Does anyone out there think during Bush's second term(if it happens) he will not right the Supreme Court when given the opportunity? Does anyone think he will not install conservitive judges wherever he can?

I think everyone knows he will be more conservitive in the next four years and in the mean time the Republicans will gain a serious hold on both houses of Congress basically stopping liberal Presidents for years to come. Not only that but from the pols I have seen America is embracing its conservitive roots.

Give Bush a second term and we will win the next quarter century. Not only that but because conservitive principles work it will be hard for people to deny they do.

[deport]

Well don't fuss and get to licking if you want to hang around.

[NRA2BFree]

Ping!

[eskimo]

I don't think the Constitution Party stands much of a chance but it's about time some of these groups did something like this to get the GOP's attention.

The GOP has been commandeered by despicable political opportunists who have no problem promoting liberal ideals as long as they can be in charge of the sand box. If principled conservatives gather in some other party, true conservatives should support that party.

[BigSkyFreeper]

...Then when the question was raised that there would be 2 more coming down the pipe, Schumer said "We'd filibuster those too", and Republican's said "OK, fine", without so much as a fight or a damned argument, as if to give Democrats what they wanted.

[PersonalLiberties]

Well, I give you credit for saying "conservative" group wants to break from "Republican" leadership. At least you realize our current leadership is not conservative. And people can jump on you for not having a viable candidate, but at least you are doing something.

[tkathy]

All this hysteria about our freedoms. In case you haven't noticed, we have boundless freedom.

[putupon]

Which is why you are able to post such ugly stuff!

Not really, I and some FRiends got exiled the other day because we had a PING list with a mildly sarcastic theme calling attention Party Line Propoganda articles about Amnesty for Illegals.

It was a blessing in disguise though, I found out there is life outside FR and where all the MIA FReepers have gone.

[quantim]

Personally, the energy is best spent putting Conservative members of Congress in place, to get Bush onto a more Conservative agenda.

I see it opposite but generally agree.  A Constitution Party has no real chance anytime soon to win a general election.  But they sure as heck could start smacking around some wimpy Republicans and all Dems to straighten them out.  I think a real strong president (like Reagan) can have more influence on who is elected in congress rather then the other way around.

[Dane]

It was a blessing in disguise though, I found out there is life outside FR and where all the MIA FReepers have gone

Yeah to the TLB cyber rubber room.

[rdb3]

It was a blessing in disguise though, I found out there is life outside FR and where all the MIA FReepers have gone.

Then why don't you tear your tail and get with those MIA FReepers so you will be happy. You aren't happy here, so why stay?

[deport]

Then why don't you tear your tail and get with those MIA FReepers so you will be happy. You aren't happy here, so why stay?

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Don't ask him to leave just yet..... He's got some licking to do..... or so he said.

[tubebender]

I got a call last night asking for money for GWB. I told the caller "no way" and listed my displeasure with his actions lately. I asked him to tell his supervisor the convey my remarks to the campaign. He gave me a phone number to call which I just did. Guess what...The voice mail box for comments was too full to accept my call. Try this number and choose from 6 choices.

1 800 531 6789

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Sorry normy, but these people are determined to commit suicide to spite their convoluted ideology.

You are wasting your good conservative breath trying to convince them otherwise.

Our best hope is that they will quit taking advantage of most of the people on this forum and start their own forum.

They are the enemy within.

[eskimo]

Personally, the energy is best spent putting Conservative members of Congress in place, to get Bush onto a more Conservative agenda.

How is that to be done if the national GOP uses all its influence to discourage conservative candidates.

[Dane]

I think a real strong president (like Reagan) can have more influence on who is elected in congress rather then the other way around

Reagan was a pragmatist. If FR was here 20 years ago, the same hysterical(i.e "true conservatives") would be calling for Reagan's head.

Reagan signed a Social Security tax increase and amnesty.

[rdb3]

To be honest, I'm not asking for him to leave.

But he apparently is miserable here, so it begs the question as to why he stays.

[putupon]

betray your own self by remaining here

See reply 34, I have found a new home.

If I hadn't already made a generous contribution to FR in the FReepathon, I'd be gone.

I sent 2 emails already to JimRob asking for my money back but he hasn't replied.

[anniegetyourgun]

Ah yes, yet another web-based roiling hive of hate-filled gossips. Folks like these only come here to throw chum in the water to encite another feeding frenzy. Somehow it provides some kind of "fix" for their lust for negativism and doom.

[BigSkyFreeper]

The Constitution party has shown not to be a viable alternative but to be party crashers.

If someone commandeered your front yard, would you allow them to take it over or would you go outside on the step and tell them to take a hike?

[rdb3]

Reagan signed a Social Security tax increase and amnesty.

True, and he also failed to abolish the Department of Education like he said he would.

[normy]

What I do not understand is there are a lot of conservitive Republicans in congress. It makes no sense to jump party when the Republicans are conservitive.

Lets think of how far we have come in the past ten years. We are the dominant party and will be for years to come. If you have a beef change whats there, not change parties. America is on the right track and if they do not think Bush is conservitive they must be nuts.

[janetgreen]

If principled conservatives gather in some other party, true conservatives should support that party.

Agree. The "two party system" isn't working anymore. The Republican party has melded into the Democrat party.