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GSA's Position on Evolution (Time for "Deep Time"!);
Geological Society of America ^ | May, 2001 | Steven Stanley

Posted on 01/06/2004 12:39:08 PM PST by gobucks

GSA Position Statement

Evolution — May 2001 Contributors: Steven M. Stanley — Chair

The Geological Society of America recognizes that the evolution of life stands as one of the central concepts of modern science. Research in numerous fields of science during the past two centuries has produced an increasingly detailed picture of how life has evolved on Earth.

The rock record is a treasure trove of fossils, and by 1841, eighteen years before Charles Darwin published On the Origin of Species, geologists had not only assembled much of the geologic time scale from physical relationships among bodies of rock, but they had also recognized that fossils document profound changes in life throughout Earth¹s history. Darwin showed that biological evolution provides an explanation for these changes. Since the time of Darwin, geologists have continued to uncover details of life's history, and biologists have continued to elucidate the process of evolution. Thus, our understanding of life¹s evolution has expanded through diverse kinds of research, much of it in fields unknown to Darwin such as genetics, biochemistry, and micropaleontology. In short, the concept of organic evolution has not only withstood the test of time — the ultimate test of any scientific construct — but it has been greatly enriched.

In recent years, certain individuals motivated by religious views have mounted an attack on evolution. This group favors what it calls "creation science", which is not really science at all because it invokes supernatural phenomena. Science, in contrast, is based on observations of the natural world. All beliefs that entail supernatural creation, including the idea known as intelligent design, fall within the domain of religion rather than science. For this reason, they must be excluded from science courses in our public schools.

This separation of domains does not mean that science and religion are fundamentally incompatible. Many scientists who conduct research on the evolution of life are religious, and many major religions formally accept the importance of biological evolution.

Misinterpreting the Bible's creation narratives as scientific statements, many creationists go so far as to attack the validity of geologic time — time that extends back billions of years. "Deep time" is the foundation of modern geology. It was actually well established, though not quantified, by geologists decades before Darwin published his ideas or most scientists came to accept evolution as the explanation for the history of life. Furthermore, thousands of geologists employing many new modes of research refined the geologic time scale during the Twentieth Century. Near the start of that century, the discovery of naturally occurring radioactive substances provided clocks for measuring actual ages for segments of the geologic record. Today, some billion-year-old rocks can be dated with a precision of less than a tenth of one percent. Moreover, modern geologists can identify particular environments where sediments that are now rocks accumulated hundreds of millions of years ago: margins of ancient oceans where tides rose and fell, for example, and valley floors across which rivers meandered back and forth, and ancient reefs that grew to thicknesses of hundreds of meters but were built by organisms that could not have grown faster than a few millimeters a year. By studying the fossil record that forms part of this rich archive of Earth¹s history, paleontologists continue to uncover details of the long and complex history of life.

Acceptance of deep time is not confined to academic science. If commercial geologists could find more fossil fuel by interpreting the rock record as having resulted from a single flood or otherwise encompassing no more than a few thousand years, they would surely accept this unconventional view, but they do not. In fact, these profit-oriented geologists have joined with academic researchers in refining the standard geologic time scale and bringing to light the details of deep earth history.

Modern studies of the evolution of Earth and its life are not only aiding us in the search for natural resources, but also helping us to understand how the Earth-life system functions. Annual layers of ice in the Greenland glacier, for example, range back more than a hundred thousand years. These ice records warn that Earth¹s climate may change with devastating speed in the future. The geologic record also reveals how various forms of life have responded to past environmental change, sometimes migrating, sometimes evolving, and sometimes becoming extinct. In the present world, bacteria are now evolving rapidly in ways that render antibiotics ineffective; to respond to bacterial evolution, we must understand evolution in general.

The immensity of geologic time and the evolutionary origin of species are concepts that pervade modern geology and biology. These concepts must therefore be central themes of science courses in public schools; creationist ideas have no place in these courses because they are based on religion rather than science. Without knowledge of deep time and the evolution of life, students will not understand where they and their world have come from, and they will lack valuable insight for making decisions about the future of their species and its environment.

© 2001 The Geological Society of America top


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FYI, GSA is a highly influential association of geologists with many connections to the U.S. Government.

This statement makes these people sound like they're from MARS. The last paragraph is a doozy - for without these folks, we won't know where we came from or how to make decisions about our future. Give me a break. It is this attitude about what should, and should not be, in our government pavlov training centers, I mean public schools, that convinces me Home Schooling is the way to go. These fellows are as guilty as the Roman Catholic priests who persecuted Galieo - for they are indeed the "new" priests of knowledge.

I posted this because I had never heard of "deep time" and I only received my Grad Sci degree just a few years ago. I guess I didn't know how deep I was in it, ...heh, heh. :))

1 posted on 01/06/2004 12:39:11 PM PST by gobucks
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2 posted on 01/06/2004 12:39:54 PM PST by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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To: gobucks
So are you a Young Earth Creationist?
3 posted on 01/06/2004 12:46:35 PM PST by John H K
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To: gobucks
This statement makes these people sound like they're from MARS. The last paragraph is a doozy - for without these folks, we won't know where we came from or how to make decisions about our future. Give me a break. It is this attitude about what should, and should not be, in our government pavlov training centers, I mean public schools, that convinces me Home Schooling is the way to go. These fellows are as guilty as the Roman Catholic priests who persecuted Galieo - for they are indeed the "new" priests of knowledge.

Creationism has no place in schools, any more than does foretelling the future by examining the entrails of birds.

4 posted on 01/06/2004 12:52:47 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: gobucks
evolution is hog wash, or better still hog droppings.
5 posted on 01/06/2004 12:55:17 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: WackyKat
Creationism has no place in schools, any more than does foretelling the future by examining the entrails of birds.

Because my children are expected to retain a Biblical belief that God created the earth, therefore my children have no place in "schools" that preach the religion of evolutionism. Thank you, I'm homeschool. Keep your religion to yourself.

6 posted on 01/06/2004 12:55:25 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Spiff
Thank you, I'm homeschool.

I meant: Thank you, I homeschool.

7 posted on 01/06/2004 12:56:18 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: John H K
Nope. Just a Christian that recognizes that the earth is really old, and have read those bible verses which say Time from God's perspective is not measured the way we do from ours.

And you?
8 posted on 01/06/2004 1:00:28 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon)
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To: Spiff
Because my children are expected to retain a Biblical belief that God created the earth

Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with whether God created the earth, or whether God created life.

Shame to see kids educated by someone that doesn't even know what it is they're supposedly protecting their kids from.

9 posted on 01/06/2004 1:00:47 PM PST by John H K
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To: gobucks
Old-earth Evolutionist, of course.

Wasn't sure about your comments about "deep time" (I actually have heard the term before, it's just not that common.)

YECs are an endangered species, even on FR, I don't think there are more than 1 or 2 of them, was curious if there were more.
10 posted on 01/06/2004 1:02:16 PM PST by John H K
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To: WackyKat
Why would you censor the discussion of religious concepts in schools?

And as for "foretelling the future by examining the entrails of birds" ... dang, I'll have to come up with a new way to pick stocks.
11 posted on 01/06/2004 1:06:39 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: Spiff
Because my children are expected to retain a Biblical belief that God created the earth, therefore my children have no place in "schools" that preach the religion of evolutionism.

Fine- you can get the Christian creation story in schools, so long as every other religion that wants it gets equal time to teach their creation story.

12 posted on 01/06/2004 1:07:53 PM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: PatrickHenry
Ping.
13 posted on 01/06/2004 1:09:31 PM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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To: gobucks
Somewhat poorly written, I would add. Did he really mean this: "Today, some billion-year-old rocks can be dated with a precision of less than a tenth of one percent. "

That's pretty LOW precision, eh? :-)
14 posted on 01/06/2004 1:09:45 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: WackyKat
On the other hand, evolution is faith-based in the extreme as well, and very, very cleverly disguised as "science". It helps to know what scientists do when inconvenient information appears.

Are you aware how many decades the Burgess fossils gathered dust at the Smithsonian....because the "scientist" who found them recognized their impact on the unfolding evolutionary doctrine of the time? Talk about editing history in real time.

Then, when it was "safe", S.J. Gould, the former high priest of evolution, wrote a bunch of spin that today serve as the Pauline letters of evolution. Nope; I don't trust what scientists say who are committed Darwinists. And I like less their burning interest in the development of the minds of our youth.
15 posted on 01/06/2004 1:12:03 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon)
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To: John H K
Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with whether God created the earth, or whether God created life.

If only it were really taught & promoted that way, I'd have no problem with it.

16 posted on 01/06/2004 1:14:12 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Spiff
Because my children are expected to retain a Biblical belief that God created the earth, therefore my children have no place in "schools" that preach the religion of evolutionism.

You obviously don't know anything about evolution if you think it deals with the creation of the earth.

And evolution a religion?

You've been reading too many YEC articles

17 posted on 01/06/2004 1:14:20 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: Modernman
A non sequitor you spout.

Just because we would present say a tradition western Christian view of things, why must there be equal time for any other particular view?

You think we need to give equal time to free enterprise economics, communism and the "economic systems of the African pygmies".

It's bad logic run riot.

18 posted on 01/06/2004 1:14:49 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: gobucks
Today, some billion-year-old rocks can be dated with a precision of less than a tenth of one percent.

Hmmm; 1,000,000,000 X .001=1,000,000?

19 posted on 01/06/2004 1:17:04 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: gobucks
YEC INTREP - ARCHIVE
20 posted on 01/06/2004 1:17:58 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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