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Protect Marriage Without Constitutional Amendment
NewsMax.com ^ | Friday, Dec. 26, 2003 | Mike Thompson

Posted on 12/27/2003 3:08:49 PM PST by Federalist 78

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To: Atchafalaya
Who was the guy that said (paraphrase);for bad men to triumph it takes good men to do nothing. Burke comes to mind. Help!

You're correct - it was Burke:

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke


101 posted on 12/28/2003 8:35:59 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: LPM1888
That is the most ridiculous explanation for the cause of homosexuality that I've ever heard. Why would someone want to masturbate over something that didn't bring them sexual pleasure in the first place?>>

Hellooooooo??!!?!

1) Child is molested by adult homosexual.

2) Child feels sexual pleasure during that molestation, which he (a) did not consent to and (b) is hardwired to feel (just because sexual pleasure is perverted doesn't mean it's less pleasurable).

3) Child masturbates to memory over course of several years.

4) Continue over several years, with other sexual encounters thrown in for reinforcement, and voila. Homosexual 'orientation.'

This is why I protect my sons from the likes of the aforementioned Larry and Curly.

Homosexuality is maintained through RECRUITMENT, jack. Just like any voluntary activity.
102 posted on 12/28/2003 8:52:16 AM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Then they must be taught differently.

Homeschooled kids should make a difference. I was reading something a few weeks ago about how much more likely homeschooled kids are to vote, and to vote informed on the issues.

It will just take time. And in the mean time, this generation needs to spread the facts on homosexuality, that there is hope for homosexuals and they can leave the lifestyle if they want to.

103 posted on 12/28/2003 8:56:36 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
That is the most ridiculous explanation for the cause of homosexuality that I've ever heard. Why would someone want to masturbate over something that didn't bring them sexual pleasure in the first place?>>

Hellooooooo??!!?!

1) Child is molested by adult homosexual.

2) Child feels sexual pleasure during that molestation, which he (a) did not consent to and (b) is hardwired to feel (just because sexual pleasure is perverted doesn't mean it's less pleasurable).

3) Child masturbates to memory over course of several years.

4) Continue over several years, with other sexual encounters thrown in for reinforcement, and voila. Homosexual 'orientation.'

This is why I protect my sons from the likes of the aforementioned Larry and Curly.

Homosexuality is maintained through RECRUITMENT, jack. Just like any voluntary activity.

You original post did not include anything about recruitment, only masturbatory fantasies. No one would ever masturbate over something that did not bring them sexual pleasure in some form.

104 posted on 12/28/2003 12:05:49 PM PST by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: little jeremiah
Yup, two or three people that YOU - personally know. BTW, I doubt if even YOU know everything about these people.

In the case of my cousin, I am certain that he was not "recruited". He and I have had extensive discussions concerning his homosexuality and its possible causes. We both began to develop sexual desires at the same age but our polarities were exactly opposite. Because of our unusual genetic/family relationship it has always been an interesting topic for both of us.

105 posted on 12/28/2003 12:15:48 PM PST by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: hocndoc

What I wonder about is the demand by the court that a State legislature write law.

I thought a court could over turn a law, make all pertinent laws null and void, but I didn't know that a court could force a legislature to pass a certain law.

"The Father of the Constitution," James Madison,(FEDERALIST No. 51)

But it is not possible to give to each department an equal power of self-defense. In republican government, the legislative authority necessarily predominates

The Avalon Project : Federalist No 48 "It will not be denied, that power is of an encroaching nature, and that it ought to be effectually restrained from passing the limits assigned to it."

Federalist No. 47

One of the principal objections inculcated by the more respectable adversaries to the Constitution, is its supposed violation of the political maxim, that the legislative, executive, and judiciary departments ought to be separate and distinct.
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny…. In order to form correct ideas on this important subject, it will be proper to investigate the sense in which the preservation of liberty requires that the three great departments of power should be separate and distinct. The oracle who is always consulted and cited on this subject is the celebrated Montesquieu. If he be not the author of this invaluable precept in the science of politics, he has the merit at least of displaying and recommending it most effectually to the attention of mankind.
….The judges, again, are so far connected with the legislative department as often to attend and participate in its deliberations, though not admitted to a legislative vote. From these facts, by which Montesquieu was guided, it may clearly be inferred that, in saying ``There can be no liberty where the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person, or body of magistrates,'' or, ``if the power of judging be not separated from the legislative and executive powers,'' he did not mean that these departments ought to have no PARTIAL AGENCY in, or no CONTROL over, the acts of each other. His meaning, as his own words import, and still more conclusively as illustrated by the example in his eye, can amount to no more than this, that where the WHOLE power of one department is exercised by the same hands which possess the WHOLE power of another department, the fundamental principles of a free constitution are subverted….The reasons on which Montesquieu grounds his maxim are a further demonstration of his meaning. ``When the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person or body,'' says he, ``there can be no liberty, because apprehensions may arise lest THE SAME monarch or senate should ENACT tyrannical laws to EXECUTE them in a tyrannical manner. '' Again: ``Were the power of judging joined with the legislative, the life and liberty of the subject would be exposed to arbitrary control, for THE JUDGE would then be THE LEGISLATOR.

 

FindLaw: US Constitution: Article IV

Section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government….

FindLaw: US Constitution: Article IV: Annotations pg. 18 of 18

Section 4. Obligations of United States to States
GUARANTEE OF REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT
In Luther v. Borden, 48 U.S. (7 How.) 1 (1849), the Supreme Court established the doctrine that questions arising under this section are political, not judicial, in character and that ''it rests with Congress to decide what government is the established one in a State . . . as well as its republican character.''

Republican Government: James Madison, Federalist, no. 39, 250-- ...

The first question that offers itself is, whether the general form and aspect of the government be strictly republican? It is evident that no other form would be reconcileable with the genius of the people of America; with the fundamental principles of the revolution; or with that honorable determination, which animates every votary of freedom, to rest all our political experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government.
If we resort for a criterion, to the different principles on which different forms of government are established, we may define a republic to be, or at least may bestow that name on, a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people; and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure, for a limited period, or during good behaviour….According to the provisions of most of the constitutions, again, as well as according to the most respectable and received opinions on the subject, the members of the judiciary department are to retain their offices by the firm tenure of good behaviour.
….And in Delaware and Virginia, he is not impeachable till out of office. The President of the United States is impeachable at any time during his continuance in office. The tenure by which the Judges are to hold their places, is, as it unquestionably ought to be, that of good behaviour.
Could any further proof be required of the republican complextion of this system, the most decisive one might be found in its absolute prohibition of titles of nobility, both under the Federal and the State Governments; and in its express guarantee of the republican form to each of the latter.

Republican Government: Introduction

The republicanism of the Founders' Constitution might seem to be a matter of course. According to Article 4, section 4, the United States shall guarantee to every state in the Union a republican form of government….
At the core of the notion of republican government appears to be the principle that the many should rule, and that the body politic "should move that way whither the greater force carries it, which is the consent of the majority" (Locke, no. 1). Which way that greater force moved was for the people to determine, consulting their interests and their better second thoughts. In that sense a variety of forms of institutional arrangements might all deserve the name "republican," with the greater fitness of one or the other form turning on the particular, even peculiar, circumstances of people, time, and place. What was critical, John Adams insisted (Novanglus, no. 7, 6 Mar. 1775), was that the government be "bound by fixed laws, which the people have a voice in making, and a right to defend."

To restore some semblance of republican government, the legislatures of Mass and the U.S. need to begin throttling back on the runaway judiciary. The SJC of Mass ignored the Massachusetts Constitution.

106 posted on 12/28/2003 1:53:09 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Federalist 78
Just a friendly bump. I noticed the comments had strayed a bit from the main point (which of course is perfectly natural), but I think it's always a great point to keep reemphasizing: The problem isn't with the Constitution; it's with the judges. Time to get out the 2-buh-4's.
107 posted on 12/28/2003 4:38:07 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: LPM1888
Lesbians have an extremely low incidence of AIDS.

That's because they aren't having sex with bisexual men.

108 posted on 12/28/2003 5:00:42 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Most younger people know gay people personally, most older people do not. This explains the difference. No way to put the genie back in the bottle on this one--you can't "teach" people to think differently when they have friends who are gay and aren't self-destructing/causing the ruin of the world.

It's the reverse of the abortion debate. Time is on the RATS' side.
109 posted on 12/28/2003 5:08:01 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory
You're ignoring the recent poll that found 2/3 of Americans are against it. The young are "overwhelmingly" in favor of it but the young are (a) only a minority of the total population and (b) are unlikely to keep this attitude as they age. The gay propagandists want us to believe without evidence that attitudes of 18 year olds will be the same when they are in their 40s with small children. Unlikely.
110 posted on 12/28/2003 5:24:32 PM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
You didn't address what I wrote at all. I gave a reason why the attitudes of people in their 20s as an aggregate are different from those of people in their 50s, and why they are unlikely to be related to the aging process.

I really don't think that today's senior citizens were more positive about homosexuals forty years ago and changed their minds as they "aged." Homosexuals didn't exists in anyone's daily life.
111 posted on 12/28/2003 6:31:19 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: longtermmemmory
We'd first need someone in Congress with the testicular fortitude to introduce a bill and others with nearly as much to co-sponsor it. I have little confidence it will be done before some fool state deems it appropriate to issue full marriage benefits to Phags. Shuffling the issue off to a court "removes" the decision-making from the "lawmakers". What a convenience!?!
112 posted on 12/28/2003 6:49:42 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: HostileTerritory
I really don't think that today's senior citizens were more positive about homosexuals forty years ago and changed their minds as they "aged." Homosexuals didn't exists in anyone's daily life.>>

That's utter nonsense. Homosexuals have been around from the beginning of time. What didn't exist in anyone's daily life was the threat of social and even legal ostracism if you didn't accept homosexual evil as good; that's only been the case since, oh, I don't know, 1992 maybe. That's reversible and it SHOULD be reverse.
113 posted on 12/28/2003 6:52:37 PM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
SHOULD be reverse. ...

SHOULD be reversed.

114 posted on 12/28/2003 6:54:15 PM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: LPM1888
Lesbians have an extremely low incidence of AIDS.>>

But they DO have a disproportionate incidence of breast cancer if they fail to have children.

God is not mocked, chirren.
115 posted on 12/28/2003 6:56:18 PM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: azhenfud
the fed marriage amendment has around 70 or so sponsors. It is being intro'd in the senate.
116 posted on 12/28/2003 7:21:08 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
I understand one has been around since abt. 1998. If that's correct, why should it take six years to come before both houses but for the lack of T.F.? Omnibus spending bills never seem to linger around that long.
117 posted on 12/29/2003 3:35:09 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
"Homosexuals have been around from the beginning of time."

Of course, but that's not my statement. Most normal people did not encounter homosexuals in their daily lives in the 1960s. Homosexuals were not open about it. It was still illegal in all 50 states and grounds for losing your job. Justice Powell ruled the way he did in Bowers v. Hardwick precisely because he felt he didn't know any homosexuals. He confided in a clerk about this... we know the story because the clerk was gay and regretted not telling him.

What didn't exist in anyone's daily life was the threat of social and even legal ostracism if you didn't accept homosexual evil as good;

Do you really think that's the only thing stopping normal people with gay friends from cutting them off and never speaking to them? If so, you've got a depressing view of human nature.
118 posted on 12/29/2003 4:36:50 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory
Do you really think that's the only thing stopping normal people with gay friends from cutting them off and never speaking to them? If so, you've got a depressing view of human nature.>>

Of course I have a "depressing view of human nature." I also have the correct view of human nature. I'm a Christian.
119 posted on 12/29/2003 5:50:46 AM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones (the more things change...)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
"homosexuality is not really attraction toward men, it is a form of hatred: in particular, hatred of women"

I just happened to run across this aging thread and your fascinating post. I've always wondered about this assertion. If being gay is all about the hatred of women, how come gay guys have so many close women friends?
120 posted on 01/17/2004 12:06:21 PM PST by Kahonek
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