[Theodore R.]

In 1981, Walter Cronkite urged liberal Americans to get on their rooftops and proclaim their liberalism to thwart the Reagan agenda. Now the ultraliberal r. Pennybacker is taking Cronkite up on his admonition to get liberal clerics behind the Democrats.

[prov1813man]

Clear, compelling evidence of how the church of Anti-Christ seeks to use religion to separate people from God. One can clearly visualize the worms and maggots emanating from this corrupted vessel (Pennybacker).

[rellimpank]

---the mainline clergy have largely been part of Lenin's "useful idiots" since post-WW2---

[wardaddy]

he helped raise millions of dollars to rebuild black churches that had been targeted by arsonists

tell a lie enough and it becomes truth....

[Sender]

Isn't "liberal progressive religious leader" kind of an oxymoron?

[goodnesswins]

Hello....separation of CHURCH and STATE?????

[Eala]

The group will focus on issues such as peace, justice, poverty, civil rights, health care and housing.

But not Truth and Salvation. Hm.

It will steer clear of abortion and gay rights.

For now. But that will come, just as it did for the Episcopal church. The rot is sinking deeper...

[I still care]

"Marcus Welty, a researcher with the National Council of Churches, said mainline Protestants may not equal the numbers of their Evangelical counterparts, and their members may not be as churchgoing, but they do lead religious lives demonstrated by their volunteering for causes like reducing poverty and championing certain issues in communities."

They can't even get people into their churches. I seriously doubt they can get them into the voting booth.

This is just another useless organization to provide quotes for the elite media, like NOW.

[Thane_Banquo]

a new organization that hopes to mobilize thousands of moderate and liberal religious leaders before the Nov. 2 election.

Yeah, all two of them.

[kimmie7]

Considering we here in Kentucky just voted in a Rep governor for the first time in many moons, I just can't believe Pennybacker's agenda will be all that popular.

[Hugin]

(The Christians who are persecuted, he says, are "anti-government, anti-Communism and have been infected with all that kind of propaganda.")

Infected with anti-communism? How could Christians not be against and ideology that denies the existence of God?

The Christians who are persecuted are "anti-emperor, anti-Roman and have been infected with all that kind of propaganda."

[Reactionary]

I imagine the ACLU doesn't have a problem with Pennywhacker.

After all, he's fighting for the religion of the state, and he doesn't mind making "compassion" into a means of promoting totalitarianism.

[sweetliberty]

"Most regular churchgoers want to re-elect President Bush. Most non-churchgoers plan to vote for the Democratic presidential candidate"

That says a lot right there, doesn't it?

"liberal religious leaders"

Oxymoron...well, actually, you can be a religious leader without being either spiritual or Christian, so perhaps not.

[SkyPilot]

It will steer clear of abortion and gay rights.

How convieeeenient.

A few weeks ago, my wife read me a passage from a book by Phillip Yancy. To those unfamiliar, Yancy is a powerful Christian writer. His book The Jesus I Never Knew is one of the most thought provoking books many people have said they have ever read (outside of the bible itself). Yancy's angle is often to take the outside perspective--a different angle. I admire him.

The passage my wife read was from What Is So Amazing About Grace? In it, Yancy describes how he defended Bill and Hillary Clinton some years back. In fact, he wrote an article entitled "Why Bill Clinton is NOT the Anti-Christ" that so impressed the Clinton one that he invited Yancy to the Whitehouse (twice). Yancy was amazed that he recieved a rebuke from the Christian community. "Why are my e-mails and letters so negative--FROM CHRISTIANS?" was his thought. Then, a prominent minister told him "Phil, if Bill Clinton really believed in the bible as he says he does, he would not hold the views that he does." He later clarified this by saying Bill Clinton was an enemy of the Truth.

My wife asked me what I thought--and I told her that while I respected Yancy, in this case he was wrong to defend the Clintons. My wife asked "But aren't all Christians supposed to reach out in love and forgiveness?"

There is the rub--and the dilemma. But like the famous quote about what is obscene "I know it when I see it" so too is the threat of evil. Some see it, some do not. Jesus would not tolerate the money changers in His Father's house. Christians should not be fooled into believing that the type of venom this guy in Lexington is pushing is nothing more than evil.

[siunevada]

a new organization that hopes to mobilize thousands of moderate and liberal religious leaders

Golly, there's a real uphill battle. Convince Democrats to vote Democrat.

Sounds like the Democrat party is only a waystation to Mr. Pennybacker's true goal.

defending China's religious policies when the Communist government was arresting evangelicals and persecuting Catholic bishops.

He's not exactly subtle about declaring which side he is on.

[Theodore R.]

He supported Elian Gonzalez' return to Cuba -- and was a guest with Fidel Castro at the child's seventh birthday party. (Elian, Pennybacker says, is mischievous, funny and rambunctious. "He's a great kid.")

Isn't it nice to know that little Elian is doing so well in a communist state? I wonder why the liberal Pennybacker does not move to Havana and join Fidel in the "workers' paradise" that he is seeking for us.

[LiteKeeper]

This is one clergyman who is rock solid behind President Bush, and is a life-long Republican. The Democrats have absolutely nothing to offer me that would intice me to change my values and ethics to vote for any of their candidates.