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TERROR ALERT TO TRUCKERS (Lake Erie region, North & South Carolina)
WSEE ^ | DEc. 21, 2003 | WSEE News

Posted on 12/21/2003 1:06:51 AM PST by FairOpinion

Terror Alert to Truckers

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security along with the American Trucking Associations has issued a warning to all motor carriers warning of a possible terrorist attack involving the trucking industry in the Lake Erie region.

A report distributed to trucking companies in the region on both sides of the border, states DHS has made "observations over the last months, increasing in frequency over recent weeks, of certain types of activity that may represent the characteristic operational acts of active terrorist planning."

According to Today's Truckers, possibilities include the involvement of fuel and chemical tanker operations, or in the vicinity of fuel and chemical production and storage facilities and terminals in the Lake Erie area, as well as North and South Carolina.

All companies with such operations are being asked to review perimeter and access security procedures and effectiveness, and report any suspicious activity.


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dhs; explodingturbans; i90; lakeerie; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; targets; threat; trucking
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This sounds like they have some fairly specific info.
1 posted on 12/21/2003 1:06:51 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: JustPiper; Cindy; LayoutGuru2
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2 posted on 12/21/2003 1:08:08 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
This sounds like they have some fairly specific info. Or they don't recognize a Teamsters organizing operation.
3 posted on 12/21/2003 1:12:46 AM PST by leadhead
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To: FairOpinion; All
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TRUCKLINE.com: "AMERICA'S TRUCKING ARMY REPORTS FOR DUTY IN WAR ON TERRORISM" (051302)

4 posted on 12/21/2003 1:24:18 AM PST by Cindy
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To: FairOpinion
I think there were a lot of possible terrorists learning to drive big rigs and getting hazmat hauling licenses in the past,much as some were learning to fly.

Once inside refineries,etc.,it could be mighty hard to keep an 18 wheeler from crashing into something and causing major problems even without being rigged to explode.

It's not very hard to steal a truck,either. :(

5 posted on 12/21/2003 1:38:25 AM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority)
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To: Free Trapper
Once inside refineries,etc.......

And I'ld imagine the only thing at the entrance would be a guard shack with something like a guard crossing stick that you see at a railroad crossing. The stick on the arm will be broken as the truck drives straight through it. I won't want to live near a chemical plant.

6 posted on 12/21/2003 1:58:59 AM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: Free Trapper
It's not very hard to steal a truck,either

Where do the Browns play today?

7 posted on 12/21/2003 2:13:16 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: ReformedBeckite
Yep,I had a RR crossing gate come down behind my cab but in front of the trailer once.There wasn't a train anywhere to be seen on a long straight stretch of tracks,so it must have been a glitch in a switch but I "dang" sure wasn't waiting for someone to come along and hold the gate arm up.

That gate broke off like it wasn't even there and didn't even leave a mark on the trailer.

8 posted on 12/21/2003 2:21:26 AM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority)
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To: Free Trapper
Once inside refineries,etc.,it could be mighty hard to keep an 18 wheeler from crashing into something and causing major problems even without being rigged to explode.

What kind of major problems could be caused by the trucks without being rigged to explode?

9 posted on 12/21/2003 2:42:51 AM PST by hotpotato
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To: hotpotato
There're all kinds of things that could be crashed into,pipelines,tanks,take your pick.

The newer vehicles that have catalytic converters caused some refineries to build parking areas farther away from anything that could burn because of the converters high temps compared to the older vehicle's mufflers.

Once a leak is created,a flare,spark or nearly anything could set off a chain reaction if things got out of hand.

Even one refinery going off line creates problems,at times,and if our enemies could shut down a number at the same time they could put us in a bind.

10 posted on 12/21/2003 3:05:00 AM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority)
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To: leadpenny
Danger of local radio signal carrying BILLS game!
11 posted on 12/21/2003 3:44:44 AM PST by dadokane (Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts. HATE OK.)
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To: FairOpinion
I can hear the CB exchange now:

The players are PA-Patriotic American, BR-Bionic Rooster, CC-Concrete Cowboy and RD-Rubber Duckie.

PA: (with Arabic accent) Break, channel nineteen. I am Patriotic American. Will another trucker tell me if there are any facist - I mean any policemen on Interstate 90, ahead of me.

BR: Hey there, Patriotic American. This shere be th' Bionic Rooster, with th' 6 millyun dollar cock, chasin' th' sun, down I-90 roun' marker 3-0-8. Ah might be abul t' hep ya', but ya' gotta tell tell me where y'at an' which way y'be a headded.

PA: (with Arabic accent) This is the Patriotic American. I did not understand what you said. Please to repeat.

BR: D@mn, son. How cud y'not here me? Ah'v got ma boots on - 200 watts wurth.

PA: (with Arabic accent) Mister Bionic Rooster, I said that I did not understand what you said. I did not ask what you were wearing or how much they cost. I am also no relation to you. Please to repeat what you said.

BR: Boy, you shur do tawk funny. Ah sed how cud y'not here me? Ma boots are rattlin' there teeth in Iraq!

PA: (with Arabic accent) You do not threaten me with your big Texas boots. I will blow up one of your refineries and you will be sorry. Besides, my whole family in Iraq have only three teeth between them and I do not have any, so your threats to rattle our teeth with your boots do not scare me.

BR: Hey there, Rubber Duckie. Did'ja here that? Seems like we stired us up a towel head, with an attitude. Hiz signal's not changin' an it's kinda strong, so he shud be travlin' with us. Ya got a fix on'im?

PA: (with Arabic accent) Please to repeat. I don't understand.

RD: Yeah, Rooster. He jus passed me in a portable fillin' stashun. He's up here tween me an th' Cowboy. Howz about it Cowboy? Ya wanna do a number on'im when we git up to th' bridge over tracks up here?

CC: Shur thing, Duck. Come on up here, Rooster. Th' Duck an I'll box'im an' you can deliver'im.

PA: (with Arabic accent) Please to repeat.

BR: Ah'm passin' th' Duck rat now. Gimme distances as we git close.

CC: Bout eight hunnerd feet.

PA: (with Arabic accent) What is eight hundred feet?

CC: Four hunnerd.

PA: (with Arabic accent) What does four hundred mean? Hey! ... Stop! ... I am in this lane! ... Move ov ... Ahhhh!...

RD: D@mn, Rooster. Did'ja see how that trucker just lost control of hiz rig thar an went off down by th' railroad tracks?

BR: Yeah, Duck. We'll haf'tuh call the county mounties, soon's we kin find us a phone.

CC: Y'all right back there, Duckie. That shur wuz some far ball.

RD: Yeah, Cowboy. Jus singed ma tail feathers a little. Y'know, it always bothers me when a trucker pushes too long an a stretch an falls asleep like that.

BR: Yeah. An it's too bad that they'll probubly never know who he wuz?

CC: How ya figure that, Rooster?

BR: No dental records.

 

12 posted on 12/21/2003 4:21:59 AM PST by Action-America (Best President: Reagan * Worst President: Klinton * Worst GOP President: Dubya)
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Could you change the title to North and South Carolina Truckers as well? I'm in SC and hope our SC freepers are aware of this.

Thanks for posting.
13 posted on 12/21/2003 5:30:13 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: FairOpinion
Sadly there is ZERO that can be done to stop it. The trucking industry has the most pathetic record on security of any industry. They make the airlines look brilliant. I know from personal experience.
14 posted on 12/21/2003 6:04:51 AM PST by Beck_isright (This tag line edited by the 9th Circuit Court due to offensive political commentary)
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To: FairOpinion
Erie Times News today released below article.

(A hagmanpi cookie is on my machine. It keeps coming back! Ahhh!)

Erie private eye tracks terror

By Scott Westcott
scott.westcott@timesnews.com

Shortly after Sept 11, 2001, Erie private eye Douglas Hagmann took on the most daunting case of his career — trying to crack Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network.

The work he has done since has made him an independent terrorism expert to some and a conspiracy-theory crackpot to others.

Doug Hagmann is a local private eye who has a web site that claims to track terrorist activity. (Janet B. Campbell)

For Hagmann's part, he says he's just trying to prevent more terrorist attacks against Americans at home and abroad.

Hagmann, 44, has established the Northeast Intelligence Network, a team of investigators and sources from around the globe who track terrorist activity.

"It's a labor of love," said Hagmann, who operates Hagmann Investigative Services in Erie. "We don't believe we are going to save the world, but every little bit does help."

The Northeast Intelligence Network has a Web site at www.homelandsecurityus.com that provides up-to-the-minute terrorism alerts.

The site is gaining exposure.

Hagmann has been a regular guest on the syndicated late-night radio show Coast-to-Coast and he claims the site is viewed daily by local, state, and federal law enforcement personnel.

Over the course of a week, the site gets between 660,000 and 1 million hits, Hagmann said.

"Thank you for this independent statement of evidence in a format that I can understand," Michael Ruhaak, a former Colorado police officer who now works as a retail fraud investigator, wrote in an e-mail to Hagmann. "What I read at times frightened me, but I really believe that if we know what's going on we are more empowered to stop future attacks against us."

In further e-mail correspondence with the Erie Times-News, Ruhaak said the Web site is a good alternative to the information about terrorism that is provided by the government.

Yet, others see Hagmann and his colleagues as conspiracy theorists whose efforts will only serve to feed the paranoia about further attacks.

"Ever wonder what happened to all those Y2K gloom-and-doom sayers?" wrote Detroit Free Press columnist Mike Wendland in a Nov. 17 column. "They're still at it, this time with a new cause."

Wendland singled out Hagmann's Northeast Intelligence Network as "among the most vocal" organizations forwarding conspiracy theories and grim predictions.

"It's like what happened during the height of the Y2K worries, when some predicted the world as we knew it would come to an end because the computers couldn't handle the turnover from 1999 to 2000," Wendland wrote. "Well, the computers didn't crash. The world didn't end. And after the terror attacks of 2001, the paranoia crowd adopted terrorism as their new cause."

Hagmann dismisses such criticism.

He claims he's not paranoid, but rather realistic. And he said he knows too much to remain silent about the possibility of future terrorism.

"People like (Wendland) suffer from reality-deficit disorder," Hagmann said. "After Sept. 11, I find it absurd that anyone could criticize our efforts or classify us as feeding into the paranoia crowd. ... The average person doesn't realize we are in a war currently. I don't think they realize what a huge threat is out there."

The seeds for the Northeast Intelligence Network were planted as Hagmann watched the television coverage of the World Trade Center towers toppling.

Eager to find some way to help, Hagmann started contacting some sources he knew within the military and intelligence community.

Since then, the core group of the Northeast Intelligence Network has grown to eight people scattered around the world.

About 15 others provide support and information on a regular basis.

Through monitoring Web sites, e-mail exchanges, chat rooms and gathering human intelligence, the team tries to wade through the rhetoric to glean what might be reliable information about impending attacks.

"Certainly we understand there is a lot of noise and misinformation out there," Hagmann said. "We try to trace things back to the source to find out where the information originates. If it's a cleric or sheik in London that carries a lot more weight than an anonymous poster spewing rhetoric."

Hagmann said information they deem credible is passed to local, state and federal law enforcement and intelligence officials.

"The things we submit are to the people on the streets — front-line law enforcement personnel," Hagmann said. "The upper-level personnel is less receptive to the information we turn over. We know for a fact that a lot of the stuff we turn over can be useless, but maybe one piece will stop an attack."

The Web site, which launched last spring, only includes information that will not compromise an ongoing investigation, Hagmann said.

Hagmann said the Northeast Intelligence Network correctly warned of an assassination attempt against Islamic cleric Al-Hakim about 48 hours before he was killed in a bomb attack in Iraq.

"I will admit that our information was not specific in terms of location and date, but it did happen," said Hagmann.

Currently, the group is warning that it has intercepted information that terrorists may try to destroy a Muslim shrine and blame it on the United States in hopes of increasing anger toward the U.S.

In addition to possibly thwarting attacks, Hagmann said his hope is that the Web site will raise awareness about the potential threats of terrorism.

"It's amazing to me the American public pays more attention to the Laci Peterson case in a voyeuristic sort of way when they don't seem to realize the continuing threat to the safety and welfare of the country," Hagmann said. "As long as there is a threat and we continue to prove ourselves useful, we'll continue doing this. Once we are no longer needed, then we will quit."


15 posted on 12/21/2003 7:29:29 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Can't we all just get a long gun?)
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To: Free Trapper
I think there were a lot of possible terrorists learning to drive big rigs and getting hazmat hauling licenses in the past,much as some were learning to fly.

I'm about to start truck driving school in a couple of weeks. That thought has occurred to me as well. I know they are doing a thorough background/criminal check on me. I hope this was the industry standard pre-9-11.

16 posted on 12/21/2003 8:54:13 AM PST by jellybean (I'm a Retro-sexual! :))
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To: Free Trapper
"It's not very hard to steal a truck,either."

Especially when the driver is prohibited from mounting an effective defense.

17 posted on 12/21/2003 9:11:54 AM PST by spunkets
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I just heard on FOX that Tom Ridge is expected to raise the terror threat level at 1:30 ET today.
18 posted on 12/21/2003 9:34:21 AM PST by mylife
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To: FairOpinion
God Bless our truckers.
My dad was a trucking salesman in the 80's. He truly believed (as do I) that truck drivers are the safest and most caring people on Earth. When traveling back home (a 3 hour drive) with my children, I will always choose a truck stop over a fast food place to shop. The people there are wonderful, always fuss over the girls and are polite.

Three years ago, pregnant and with my two year old, we had a flat tire. I didn't have a cell phone and I couldn't budge the jack to change the tire. We started walking down the highway when suddenly a police car pulled up behind us. The officer told us that in 15 minutes, 9 truckers had called in to tell them a woman and toddler were walking the road. Amazing!
19 posted on 12/21/2003 10:05:19 AM PST by netmilsmom (Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.)
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To: spunkets
Especially when the driver is prohibited from mounting an effective defense.

I believe that it is safe to assume that more truckers are able to mount an effective defense than one might believe if they base that belief on local firearms laws.

20 posted on 12/21/2003 10:06:19 AM PST by meyer
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