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1 posted on 12/16/2003 6:25:29 PM PST by Flightdeck
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To: Flightdeck
Bring out the bamboo shoots!!!
2 posted on 12/16/2003 6:27:43 PM PST by Coroner
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To: Flightdeck
Didn't the army just discipline someone for this?
3 posted on 12/16/2003 6:29:22 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Flightdeck
Give Saddam a shovel.
Have him spend at least 12 hours a day digging up the mass graves.

Once he's finished with that, take him to a random spot in the Iraqi desert,
the most Allah-forsaken area possible.
Tell him, "You are going to help up find those WMDs. Start Digging. And you'll dig
12 hours a day until we find something."
4 posted on 12/16/2003 6:29:44 PM PST by VOA
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To: Flightdeck
And?!? SO DO I!!!!!!!!!
5 posted on 12/16/2003 6:30:07 PM PST by Viking2002
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To: Flightdeck
I don't know much about this subject, but isn't torture ineffective for getting information? The subject simply tells you whatever you want to hear to get the pain to stop.

I would not support it because not only is it wrong, but it is ineffective. I didn't hear this show, so I can't comment in an informed manner, but if this is what they said they are sounding singularly ignorant.

6 posted on 12/16/2003 6:30:35 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Flightdeck
Torture as most people understand it--physical pain--does not produce accurate information.

Psychological torture (drugs, hot-cold, water, no sleep, etc.) is highly effective and, for the subject, not permanently harmful nor particularly painful...merely damned annoying.

7 posted on 12/16/2003 6:31:47 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Flightdeck
Bump for later browse.
8 posted on 12/16/2003 6:32:32 PM PST by k2blader (Jesus: Liar, Lunatic, or Lord?)
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To: Flightdeck
I think Americans are above torture IMHO.
11 posted on 12/16/2003 6:36:20 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Flightdeck
I think the Iraqis will be all too willing to pronounce sentence and judgement on Saddam without us getting our hands (ethically) dirty over this. A public trial and then likely execution. Torture won't be necessary but I wouldn't be against handing out old shoes for the Iraqis to use in carrying out their rebuke. In fact, I think the coalition should have a shoe drive for those destitute Iraqis who can't afford shoes.

But Bush has the right approach here. His crimes primarily are against his own people. Let them try him and exact punishment. All we have to do is hand him over at the appropriate time and supply the evidence we've compiled. I have confidence the free Iraqis will do the rest.

Anyone remember Calciescu (sp) in Romania? I suspect we'd have a scene similar to that.
13 posted on 12/16/2003 6:38:09 PM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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I'd like to know if the priest who is complaining about how Saddam was treated is on record for complaining about how our soldiers were treated when captured by the Iraqis including the possibility that some of them were executed after capture. Somehow.... I think probably not. Though I could be wrong about him.
15 posted on 12/16/2003 6:38:25 PM PST by hotpotato
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To: Flightdeck
I support torturing Alan Colmes.

All joking aside, we are the United States of America. We are the example for the rest of the world. We have to rise above this sort of brutality and cruelty.

So .... I say we let Mossad question him! Problem solved! ;^)

16 posted on 12/16/2003 6:38:47 PM PST by wizardoz ("Let's roll!" ........................................................ "We got him!")
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To: Flightdeck
Death Penalty, Fine. That would be great.

...and It would be so satisfying, so just, to have Saddam tortured mercilessly. Shove bamboo shoots up his fingernails while he is on 500ug of LSD. Infect him with diseases. Boil him in oil. Pound his digits with a hammer one at a time. Dislocate his shoulders. Cram feces down his throat and large food items up his rectum.

Nobody will lose sleep over Saddam being tortured.

But Americans are better than that. We need to set an example to the world that we are not barbaric. Stern, firm, relentless, yes, but barbaric, no. We can't even let the Iraqis do that to Saddam.

But this stupid idea coming out of Bill Bennett and Sean Hannity? , I'm very suprised. After all, who would Jesus Torture? Our Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment, no matter what the crime.

Torturing Saddam would unleash horriffic anger against any of our troops who might happen to be captured. While it may be fun for sick minds to think about, the reality is that it is about the most stupid thing we could allow to happen.

17 posted on 12/16/2003 6:38:51 PM PST by Diverdogz
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There is no need to torture Saddam Hussein. His ego will fail him again under relentless questioning over a period of time.

However, some consider Colonel Lewis firing of his sidearm near the jihadists noggin as torture. I don't, the situation demanded an answer but if we all want to be honest with ourselves we have to answer this question:

If we could save the lives of men in our command by either physically or mentally torturing a bad guy, would we do it?

18 posted on 12/16/2003 6:39:23 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Flightdeck
I didn't watch H&C. What type of torture were they condoneing?

I'm probably the wrong person to ask. I have spoken with too many troops who were assigned the task of digging up mass graves. They are going to have to make him psychologically miserable in order for him to cooperate.

21 posted on 12/16/2003 6:40:29 PM PST by armymarinemom (My Son Liberated the Honor Roll Students in Iraq)
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I think it would work out jes fine if we shipped him to a Commonwealth country for the SAS to question him since the alphabet channels would really get their panties in a wad if we did my first choice - ship him to Israel for Mossad to question him. Our reps could listen via intercom, no reason for them to get their dainty, refined little hands dirty.
23 posted on 12/16/2003 6:40:59 PM PST by Chu Gary
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Saddam had best thank his lucky stars that I'm NOT in charge of his safety, well being and interrogation. I say this because I don't give a rip about his welfare or health. I would want to KNOW, real quick, about the status of Captain Scott Speicher, and would have no compunction whatsoever in obtaining that info post haste.
24 posted on 12/16/2003 6:41:20 PM PST by Howie66 (Lead, follow or git the hell out of the way!)
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To: Flightdeck
Can you post exactly what they said that made you say that? I didn't see it but I doubt that they said they supported torture.

Is the purpose of your post to state that you have sympathy for this mass killer?

I would hope we would do anything we need to do to get info from this vile person.
27 posted on 12/16/2003 6:43:09 PM PST by Mr Cobol (Berry AuH2O464 and conservative ever since!)
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Torture is too good for him.

Pluck all the intel you can from him and lock him away in solitary until he dies.

No visits, no outside information, just 24/7 Saddam in his little cell with 3 squares a day and an hour of exercise by himself.

Make him irrelevant as possible

His only visitors will be potential heads of state who won't cooperate in the war on terror to see what is in store for them.

30 posted on 12/16/2003 6:44:30 PM PST by JZoback
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To: Flightdeck
Let the Iraqis decide. If they want to stick a cattle prod up his arse, so be it.
37 posted on 12/16/2003 6:46:47 PM PST by rintense
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To: Flightdeck
We are swimming in a sea of political correctness that, according to the International Court Tribunal, precludes the death penalty before this judicial process begins. If the International community were to decide, judges would preside, with minds so open, that they honestly wouldn't have an inkling if Saddam was even a criminal. Nothing would be decided ahead of time except the most important thing of all, ie Saddam gets an automatic free pass from consequences for the millions of lives he ruthlessly snuffed out.

Speaking of freedom, Serb strongman, Slobidan Milosevich is still on trial with 2 years or more to go. Do you want Saddam to keep his secrets that would be invaluable to defeating terrorism, hidden in his heart for all those years, maybe never to be known?

All this to say, it is best to do whatever it takes to protect as many lives as possible by learning as much as possible by ALL MEANS POSSIBLE.

Let the bleeding heart liberals worry about the rest afterwards.
38 posted on 12/16/2003 6:47:20 PM PST by hametzpay
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