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Do we want another Jessica Lynch?
ESR ^ | November 24, 2003 | Kimberley Jane Wilson

Posted on 11/26/2003 6:27:25 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

After forcing myself to read Jessica Lynch's book I've come to the conclusion that this country needs to have a talk -- an honest, no holds barred, to-heck-with-brain-numbing-political correctness, talk with itself. Do women belong in combat situations or not? Are we going to engage in an emotional orgy every time a woman soldier gets captured or not? Is a female soldier's life more precious than a man's or not?

Jessica Lynch seems like a nice enough girl and she has suffered horribly but she's not a heroine as she herself has stated. She was thrown into a hideous situation and thanks to the courage of Iraqi attorney, Mohammed Odeh al-Rehaief and his family who risked their lives to help her and the Special Operations team who rescued her from Saddam Hussein hospital, her life was saved. In fact, instead of the fighting Amazon front page story the Washington Post published on April 3 (by June the Post had refuted most of the original article) she wasn't even able to get a shot off in her own defense during the ambush of the ill fated 507th Maintenance Unit convoy.

When Jessica was awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Prisoner of War medals a lot of veterans including some of my relatives grumbled about that Bronze Star. This particular medal is supposed to go to any member of the Army who distinguishes themselves in heroic or meritorious service in a combat situation. In other words, for actually doing something. At the time I thought my grouchy male kinfolk were being unfair but now I see their point. Men don't get the Bronze Star medal for surviving. They don't get medals for just being in the wrong place and the wrong time and they don't get anything approaching the media lionization that Pfc. Lynch received. Unless you are a relative or very, very well informed I'll bet that you can't name one man who spent time as an Iraqi prisoner of war this year.

Here's one hard truth that apparently nobody wants to mention out loud. Young ladies, if you join the military and a war breaks out you can expect to be in danger. Even if you aren't a combatant -- Jessica Lynch was a supply clerk -- if you are captured by soldiers belonging to any Third World country the best that you can expect is gang rape and torture and if the Pentagon doesn't think your experience is "inspiring" it will downplay what happened to you. Pfc. Lori Piestewa, the first Native American woman to die in combat and the mother of two young children was caught in the ambush with Jessica Lynch. According to the Center for Military Readiness think tank an eyewitness (who may or may not be lying for all we know) says she was still alive after her Humvee crashed so how did she die? Undoubtedly the circumstances were horrible but why not tell the public? Spc. Shoshana Johnson, who joined the Army to be a cook was a prisoner of war for 22 days and still suffers from her injuries which included being beaten and shot in both ankles. We don't hear much about Shoshana and we heard almost nothing about Lori.

I certainly don't to want to pick on Jessica Lynch but we all know that if she were a 19 year old man she wouldn't be rich, famous and complaining about her former bosses to Diane Sawyer on national television. Are we going to listen to the feminists in Congress, all of whom are either too old or too rich to even think about going into the military themselves, and continue to throw young women into to combat situations? If so then we are going to have accept the fact the grotesque things will probably happen to them. In wars people get killed and POWs are usually treated with savagery. We know this so why make such a fuss when the POW happens to be a sweet faced teenaged girl?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 507th; army; combat; jessicalynch; lynch; supplycorps; womenincombat
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1 posted on 11/26/2003 6:27:26 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
As far as I'm concerned, Clinton has blood on his hands.
2 posted on 11/26/2003 6:33:46 PM PST by rickmichaels (God bless America, land that I love)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
http://www.americal.org/awards/achv-svc.htm reports on the exact standards required for ALL American military awards.

The text here concerning the Bronze Star differs from that referenced in the lead article for this thread.

3 posted on 11/26/2003 6:34:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
It is totally different. The information given in the article regarding the Bronze Star is utterly bogus.
4 posted on 11/26/2003 6:36:00 PM PST by CWOJackson (Wal-Mart was behind the JFK assassination...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
>>and complaining about her former bosses to Diane Sawyer on national television.<<

I had not heard about this. Did anyone see her complain about former bosses?

That asked, I really must say today's young women want to be removed from that pedestal we've enjoyed for centuries. Pity.
5 posted on 11/26/2003 6:36:04 PM PST by Humidston (Two Words: TERM LIMITS)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
IMHO women do not belong in ground combat roles period! The guys don't need to be worrying about protecting women when bullets are flying or when they are captured!
6 posted on 11/26/2003 6:39:44 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Do women belong in combat situations or not?

No.

7 posted on 11/26/2003 6:40:51 PM PST by Air Assault (Got Jesus?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Sgt. Shawna Edmondson and Master Sgt. Lisa Marie Girman are two women who were kicking butt and taking names, but they're facing discipline for alegedly roughing up Baath Party officials and Syrian terrorists.
8 posted on 11/26/2003 6:44:23 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: Air Assault
Anyone who has ever been in military combat will agree that women don't belong in military combat.
9 posted on 11/26/2003 6:45:04 PM PST by JoeFromCA
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To: Tailgunner Joe
My first born child's birthday was september 11. Her 16th birthday was 2001. My daughter has the transcripts, SAT scores, and ACT scores to go to any college. She chose to serve her country.

Wild horses could not have stopped her from making her choice. She is well aware of the added consequences of being a female warrior. And we are all safer for her decision.
10 posted on 11/26/2003 6:49:26 PM PST by Spruce
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Do we want another Jessica Lynch?

The feminazis do. They LOVE Pvt Lynch, in an unnatural way.

Any FReeper who supports the (thoroughly discredited) myth of Jessica is a Clintoonite.

At the very best, she got her medals through incompetence.

Sorry, Feminazis, but women have two places in war. The honorable place in war for women is the Florence Nightingale model.

The other place is as 'camp followers' or 'ladies of easy virtue'.

If the feminazis don't like this (and they won't) I laugh at them and remind them that the physical strength of a full-grown woman is, on average, equivalent to the strength of a twelve-year-old boy, or a sixty-year-old man.

Those are the facts, screech as hard as you want. I am not listening.

11 posted on 11/26/2003 6:52:29 PM PST by LibKill (The world will not pad its sharp corners. It is up to you to look out for them.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't think women belong in combat, with the exception being as pilots. Some have said that even as pilots of fighter jets, that women do not have the neck strength to withstand the necessary quick turns one needs when evading a missle strike. I don't know if that's true or not. If it is, then women shouldn't pilot fighter jets.

I'm a woman and understand the desire of my fellow women to want to play a role in defending our country. But after a lot of thought, I believe that women in combat are a tremendous liability.
12 posted on 11/26/2003 6:52:58 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Air Assault
Please Sign This Petition to President George W. Bush on Women in Combat
13 posted on 11/26/2003 6:53:03 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: LibKill
Lynch agrees that she did not do anything "heroic."
14 posted on 11/26/2003 6:55:37 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't think women should be in combat, or exposed to it. Not because SOME are not capable, but because of the disruption to the effective functioning of the military.

I risk my life having children, and my sanity bringing them up. Men risk their lives to keep me safe while I'm doing it. (Thanks, guys!) I think it's fair.
15 posted on 11/26/2003 6:57:58 PM PST by Tax-chick (It's hard to see the rainbow through glasses dark as these.)
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To: CWOJackson
In my battalion in Viet Nam officers got the Bronze Star for playing horseshoes with the battalion commander, which wasn't all that heroic. It is given for meritorious service which could apply to Pfc. Lynch's conduct as a POW.
16 posted on 11/26/2003 6:58:27 PM PST by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Lynch agrees that she did not do anything "heroic."

This is a breath of fresh air.

17 posted on 11/26/2003 6:59:08 PM PST by LibKill (The world will not pad its sharp corners. It is up to you to look out for them.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Do women belong in combat situations or not?

For the last time, no. ....A thousand times no. And frankly, only utterly decadent cultures even consider this question.

19 posted on 11/26/2003 7:00:37 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I vote no.
20 posted on 11/26/2003 7:10:36 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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