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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 3-4, 2003
Various | November 3, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/02/2003 11:25:14 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 4 - November 3-4, 2003)
Link back to thread 3 - (Nov. 1-2)

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Contained in thread 3"

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More questionable connections between The Jerger Co., the new doctor and the mistress, update on the prayer vigil, connections between Judge Demers and the new Guardian ad litum, Jay Wolfson, link to information on Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, comparison to Indiana case involving starving Down's Syndrome infants, PC93 launches Terri's life ribbon campaign, more information on Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, connection between George Felos and Mary Labyak of Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, update from the vigil, link to legal summary of the case, information on Mary Labyak, contact information for Florida law enforcement and courts, story of John Douglas, link to doctor's exam and nursing notes, update on Terri and upcoming talk shows, information in the mistress, story of Margaret Logan and the story of the first time Terri's feeding tube was removed.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

Thanks again to everyone for all your hard work.

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KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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To: Admin Moderator
Thanks. It seems to be working now. Keeping fingers crossed that it stays that way.
251 posted on 11/04/2003 6:30:23 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
I've read some of your links.....interesting stuff.

And see some of the "troll" arguments. How do you do this?

Who's the one called Legedermain (sp)?. He needs several shrinks, a good woman, and some group hugs. Maybe a class in relationships or meditation might help..../sarcasm

Or is that medication.....

252 posted on 11/04/2003 6:35:36 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: Windshark
I think that one needs to start with some HEAVY medication. A woman? In his dreams.

I refuse to engage him. It would be nothing but a mental feces throwing contest. He is disrespectful and condescending and looking for a fight, so while I might pity his ignorance and lack of relationship with God, I don't have to get down there and wallow in the sewer with him. He is obviously in need of a little more research (of the life experience sort) before he will be open enough, or desperate enough, to hear what others would try to say or to recognize his need for God.

253 posted on 11/04/2003 6:44:25 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Sweets.....you need a massage......or a couple of those blue things and a shower.

:-)

254 posted on 11/04/2003 6:52:54 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: Windshark
"Sweets.....you need a massage......or a couple of those blue things and a shower"

And this was the week I was supposed to be "on vacation" too.

255 posted on 11/04/2003 6:58:08 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: TigersEye
>>Just which of Ayn Rand's books promotes '"the right to die", drugs, pornography, prostitution and illegal immigeration should be legalized.'? I have only read Atlas Shrugged but I didn't see that in there anywhere.

I've read it all, and the answer is NONE of them. :)
256 posted on 11/04/2003 6:59:24 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: sweetliberty
That didn't come out right again...

I'm gonna send you a freepmail.

257 posted on 11/04/2003 7:00:49 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: Admin Moderator
For what it's worth in troubleshooting, my own "my comments" page and the associated links is ok.
258 posted on 11/04/2003 7:01:05 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sweetliberty
You didn't go?
259 posted on 11/04/2003 7:01:20 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: sweetliberty
that is a sweet story, a sweet song . . . thanks for posting it. Thanks for putting all this together to try to keep us organized!
260 posted on 11/04/2003 7:13:32 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Windshark
You have FReepmail.
261 posted on 11/04/2003 7:15:34 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Mail bakatcha.....

Good night, sleep well.

262 posted on 11/04/2003 7:26:44 PM PST by Windshark (.......... liberals are mostly..........completely dumb ........:-)
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To: sweetliberty; Calpernia
Well, this freep must continue. They still want Terri dead at all costs and even our "impartial" lol Judges are in bed with the ACLU.

FLORIDA IS SCREAMING JUDICIAL CORRUPTION. WHO WILL INVESTIGATE?

Let's start praying for Jeb Bush and his court battle ahead. WHERE'S THE FBI?

263 posted on 11/04/2003 7:29:13 PM PST by freeparoundtheclock (TERRISFIGHT.ORG - Go to Hospice Woodside Make a Sign "TERRI'S ANGELS")
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To: Windshark
G'night to you too. And thanks. Sleep well.
264 posted on 11/04/2003 7:30:13 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty; floriduh voter; Republic; PrepareToLeave; Ragtime Cowgirl; Robert Drobot; ...

Have you seen this beautiful song for Terri?

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265 posted on 11/04/2003 7:41:17 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
Yes, I pinged you to it earlier on the thread.
266 posted on 11/04/2003 7:47:22 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Saundra Duffy
There's a brick wall and a hedge. People who want to show support for Terri and her family are there at their convenience, including nightly candlelight vigils. It's worse than Gitmo inside Hospice but outside where the vigils are, it is good. It's one of those "you had to be there" kind of deals. It is hard to explain how good set up so close to evil.
267 posted on 11/04/2003 7:50:14 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org FR Site)
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To: sweetliberty; Agnes Heep; agrace; Aliska; amdgmary; A-plus; atruelady; attagirl; Babalu; ...
"No human is capable of this much evil!"

You're right!

This is the biggest spiritual battle that has ever been fought in this country. It appears that like Judas Iscariot, Satan has fully impersonated these men; they are mere shells for his will. We can only pray that the Holy Spirit fills Jay and his staff in like manner.

268 posted on 11/04/2003 8:27:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
They have to get their foot in the door first. Looks as if the Florida court won't allow them in.

Warning....that thread is infested with trolls. Take weaponry.

269 posted on 11/04/2003 8:32:48 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Take heart and pray! Jay is a very intelligent, and skillful lawyer, and he has the Lord on his side in all his battles.
270 posted on 11/04/2003 8:36:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: TaxRelief
Someone (have to check on who it was if you want) informed me that "Harv" was a troll/disruptor who had used various screen names, and apparently is a shill for the dark side.
271 posted on 11/04/2003 8:38:19 PM PST by First Amendment ((Hi relatives! Why not register on FR and join the debate?))
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To: freeparoundtheclock
THis reminds me ...

Why is the ACLU allowed to join the case supporting MS, when her parents are excluded because "they have no interest in the case?"
272 posted on 11/04/2003 8:47:51 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: editor-surveyor; All
This is the biggest spiritual battle that has ever been fought in this country.

You are so incredibly wise to say this.

My latest research has been into a pilot program in New York in which children with diseases or chronic illnesses are being sent to hospices instead of hospitals, even though they are not dying ( sound familiar?). All at the hands of George Soros, the minister of death.

And financed, of course, by the Project on Death in America. George's pet project of all time, his attempt to socially engineer our country into his beliefs in favor of euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide.

In 1994 Soros said that in three years "they" would have a role model and leader in place in 1/4 of the medical schools in this country.

I wonder if those pediatric specialists from Boston Childrens ICU who want to harvest organs before death were trained under Soros role models?

273 posted on 11/04/2003 8:48:51 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: TaxRelief
I wonder if "Republican" George W. Greer is infesting his Baptist church with the spirit of the anti-Christ. If so, that church should expel him now before he kills there too!
274 posted on 11/04/2003 9:00:03 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: MarMema
Soros is a man of unparalleled evil. He has taken the baton of death from Helen Blavatsky and Anne Bessant, and is being funded from the same source: The Warburgs (AKA Roth Schild)
275 posted on 11/04/2003 9:00:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Do please educate me on these others you mention?
276 posted on 11/04/2003 9:05:03 PM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: editor-surveyor
"This is the biggest spiritual battle that has ever been fought in this country."

Absolutely right.

It's also a spiritual test for this country and all individual people.

277 posted on 11/04/2003 9:14:01 PM PST by Wampus SC ((Fly the Gadsen Flag))
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To: MarMema
"My latest research has been into a pilot program in New York in which children with diseases or chronic illnesses are being sent to hospices instead of hospitals, even though they are not dying ( sound familiar?). All at the hands of George Soros, the minister of death."

This leads back to Soros too? Why am I not surprised? (/rhetorical question)

So many evil things lead back to Soros that sometimes I wonder just what he is.

278 posted on 11/04/2003 9:18:58 PM PST by Wampus SC ((Fly the Gadsen Flag))
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To: editor-surveyor
I am praying for a real miracle !!!!!!!!
279 posted on 11/04/2003 9:21:12 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Same with my son a twin bed with rails cannot contain someone with severe CP.

We use a King water bed.

He tried some independant living but it was to unsafe.

I have a twin bed set up next to his bed so if he pulls the sheet over his head, trach he has someone to rescue him.

Can't wear shirts to bed I use small baby blankets to cover his chest with flannel lounge pants and the mist and o2 machines keep the room warm along with his studio light above the bed.

People just don't get! Round the clock care means around the clock. Literally.

The trolls are part of society that will never get it.

They themselves are termeninal. Reminds me of liberals and the density of their ability to understand simple issues.

Praying for Teri.

I don't know about other careproviders around FR but hanging out on Teri threads is very painful and incites such anger.

Hope Teri is doing well.

This is all her guardians doing as so many of these cases.

I do not ever see this case as a "slippery slope" regardless of the outcome because their are so many of us who support and care for the severly disabled that we would kick ass when it comes to our loved ones.

Evil will never outweigh all the good careproviders.

Don't make me go manic on your candy asses. I would defend my son and that means I would hurt anyone who messed with us all in self defense of coarse.

Hang in their you guys.
280 posted on 11/04/2003 9:28:12 PM PST by oceanperch (Respite care, it is a good thing.)
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To: FR_addict
Finding good care in the home is not easy either. I have a careprovider for 24yrs. and finding respite is a bear.

When I find a good worker(s) I use them and take time off.

However home health care attracks the "takers" and "theifs" in society.

Be aware. Stay healthy.
281 posted on 11/04/2003 9:34:57 PM PST by oceanperch (Respite care, it is a good thing.)
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To: sweetliberty
I've created a new thread: Terri Schindler Schiavo Guardianship Hearing Wednesday November 5, 2003 discussing the Schindler's petition for removing Michael as guardian (which was apparently filed long ago but is finally coming to court). The material has been posted on this thread, but it seems sufficiently important to merit a thread of its own.

On a related note, does anyone know what's up with a senate bill to remove lewd and lacivious behavior as a disqualifying factor for guardians?

282 posted on 11/04/2003 9:40:59 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: NYer
Bob & Mary Schindler will be appearing on the Larry King Live program this Friday night. The show airs at 9:00 PM

Postponed from Thursday?

283 posted on 11/04/2003 9:44:12 PM PST by JustPiper (18 out of 19 HiJacker's had State issued Driver's License's !!!)
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To: supercat
I have an idea.

Doesn't FL have the initiative process, as do AR, CA, and CO, for instance? Why can't we initiate a couple or three of laws to benefit Terri and try to force an immediate special election? Perhaps a law on qualification of guardians. Or something on written permission being required to withhold feeding tubes? I don't think we can wait until next November though, for the courts will have dehydrated her again by then. The FL courts are liberal beyond belief!!! Even if nominally "Republican" in some cases.
284 posted on 11/04/2003 9:49:03 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: supercat
>>On a related note, does anyone know what's up with a senate bill to remove lewd and lacivious behavior as a disqualifying factor for guardians?

You mean "Michael's Bill?"
285 posted on 11/04/2003 9:49:32 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: pram
Why worry about the "trolls"? They are simple to refute or if time does not permit a refutation, just ignore them.
286 posted on 11/04/2003 9:51:50 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Aliska
It seems to me it is all about power games. When he said the parents want to make his life hell, I felt that he was projecting. It appears he wants to make the parents' life hell.

Could be prophetic though. If Terri regains the ability to speak, oh boy what a story she may have to tell. And it's an attempted-murder charge for Michael. I'd call that severe heck, if not hell.

287 posted on 11/04/2003 9:59:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: floriduh voter
What temperature is Schiavo keeping the hospice room now? Didn't he put it at 80 degrees during the dehydration? Now is back at 64? Maybe he will have it so cold that Wolfson will get sick when he goes for the visit and resign from the case.
288 posted on 11/04/2003 10:01:17 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: MarMema
In 1994 Soros said that in three years "they" would have a role model and leader in place in 1/4 of the medical schools in this country.

I wish he had just stuck to medpot.

289 posted on 11/04/2003 10:03:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Theodore R.
I consider it useful to let people know - especially lurkers, media types and so on - that some people are here solely to disrupt the debate, and may in fact be agents of Schiavo, which is what some people here suspect "Harv" to have been.
Some, like ddep6 and Legerdemain, cannot be refuted because they just say the same thing over and over again and don't debate in a rational way. In fact, d6 just copies and pastes the same paragraphs. I asked for evidence citing the lack of a cortex and there was no response.
290 posted on 11/04/2003 10:18:08 PM PST by First Amendment ((Hi relatives! Why not register on FR and join the debate?))
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To: floriduh voter
Hospice has become a prison for Terri, complete with a death chamber. This one sounds like a concentration camp.
291 posted on 11/04/2003 10:24:07 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: sweetliberty
"Trolls" is very much too kind a term for them.
292 posted on 11/04/2003 10:35:46 PM PST by T'wit
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To: sweetliberty
Terri's parents locked out of court battle Legal group 'very disappointed' by judge's ruling, considers appeal

Starvation nation-Michelle Malkin

293 posted on 11/04/2003 10:44:40 PM PST by JustPiper (18 out of 19 HiJacker's had State issued Driver's License's !!!)
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To: oceanperch
I know, oceanperch, that these threads incite anger in you, and that is understandable.
To any trolls who doubt her knowledge as a parent/caregiver of a dependent person, she has much to contribute, having real-time experience!!!
I met her in person, and it is amazing just to observe her tender demeanor with her son, caring for him completely.
You can see the love there, more evident and a little different than ordinary people.
She can give doubting people a side of this issue, from the caregiver's position, what it means, they are the ones on the front lines who should have a huge input into decisions, they are the ones with FIRSTHAND, EYEWITNESS, upfront, INFORMATION!!!!!
It's a shame those who are so selfish in their views, even though we have the right to state them, that their eyes are blinded from the facts.
They just keep on repeating the same media mantra, and the old Lenin quote of telling a lie often enough gets believed,is so true,as we witness here.
I always try to encourage or challenge people to "seek and you shall find the answer", instead of just making rude claims against people's religion.
We are truly blessed to have the information "highway" for resources, I just think a lot of people haven't yet come to that realization of the value of it.
294 posted on 11/04/2003 11:23:42 PM PST by oreolady (Have you reviewed your living will lately?)
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To: Graymatter
"You mean "Michael's Bill?"

LOL! Perfect.

295 posted on 11/04/2003 11:38:51 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: pram
"I asked for evidence citing the lack of a cortex and there was no response."

That's because he's the one lacking a cortex....he took his brain out to play with it and forgotr where he put it. Last I heard, they were fighting over it at the DU.

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296 posted on 11/04/2003 11:43:26 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Saundra Duffy
I agree :(
297 posted on 11/04/2003 11:58:45 PM PST by Orlando (Dec. 3rd is Terri Birthday..)
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To: Theodore R.
They are here for disruption only. They argue only for death and won't be swayed. The insidious arguments are those who argue for death while sugar-coating it in some freakish form of empathy.

They suck up time and bandwidth that could better be used on email, fax and phone campaigns. I'll have to try harder to ignore them.
298 posted on 11/05/2003 12:12:34 AM PST by kenth (Terri is human. Her life is no less valuable than yours or mine.)
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To: JustPiper
This was a big mistake, it should of been Thursday night.
On Friday night less viewers, and it buys time for the forces of darkest, they delay the offensive...

George N, of Coast to Coast Am Radio (over 550+ Stations)
told Bobby the door is open to you ANYTIME. Coast is heard
by over 10 million people (Worldwide)...

We need the Mother and Father to ask the people with help, and any information(s) that can help them (US), like for
example...The 3rd Child ?!!..Tell the people about the evil courts in Florida...Tell there story...

We are losing, and we need help from the White House, this
is a national crises. Murder being committed right before our eyes in the open, without any law enforcement investigation(s) into the Domestic Violence, and attempted murder, this murder is STILL ON GOING....

The Schindlers are falling right into there plan...delays
and FRIDAY, please.........we are losing the PR war, and it's time we go on the offense...

Where is the Vatican ????
Where is the Congress ??
Pass a law like Florida "Terri law"...
299 posted on 11/05/2003 12:16:45 AM PST by Orlando (Dec. 3rd is Terri Birthday..)
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To: Orlando
NEW THREAD

300 posted on 11/05/2003 12:18:32 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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