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Could Russian 'waterbomber' save California? - Congressmen say feds resisting.. jet.. douse..
WND ^ | 10/31/03 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 10/31/2003 5:58:29 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

A massive Russian jet capable of releasing more than 10,000 gallons of water in a single dump could help solve California's wildfire crisis, but the federal government continues to resist it, asserts two U.S. congressmen.

Reps. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., and Curt Weldon, R-Pa., said at a news conference yesterday the Russian government repeatedly has offered the Ilyushin-76 'Waterbomber' – reportedly capable of dousing a fire the size of 10 football fields – to the U.S. Forest Service for its use but has been rebuffed each time.

Rohrabacher spokesman Aaron Lewis told WorldNetDaily the federal government's response amid wildfires that have killed 18, consumed more than 718,000 acres and destroyed more than 2,400 homes is the same as it has been for the past decade.

As WorldNetDaily reported, Forest Service spokesman Joe Walsh said last year at the height of devastating fires in Oregon the "plane would not meet our firefighting needs." It is too costly, he told the Colorado Springs Gazette, "and lacks ability to make downhill drops, a necessary maneuver in fighting fires in the mountains. It actually drops too much water."

Ed Stone, a Forest Service aviation official said in an August 2000 interview, his agency had been aware of the aircraft since 1994 when fires prompted intense political pressure to use it.

"We looked, and we didn't care for the product," he said.

But the lawmakers are convinced it will work, pointing to its success in other parts of the world.

"The bureaucratic logjam on this has to be broken and the jet needs to be given a chance to perform in the U.S.," said Lewis. "But the government has not been willing to even let it come in the country for a demonstration, let along to fight fires."

The Russian government is willing to loan the Ilyushin-76 to the United States, the congressmen say, provided the U.S. picks up the operating costs.

Another model, the BE 200, which is smaller but still carries two to three times the capacity of American planes, "has been dismissed out of hand by the government," Lewis said.

He noted Rohrabacher brought up use of the Russian equipment to Arnold Schwarzenegger during the governor-elect's recent visit to Washington. Schwarzenegger just nodded, Lewis said, as Rohrabacher then moved on to the next subject in his laundry list of California issues.

Tom Robinson, a fire administrator and instructor of fire prevention with the Virginia Offices of Fire Programs and Emergency Services in Richmond, Va., said in a WND interview last year he has been waging a campaign to build public support for deployment of the Russian-made air tanker, which has nearly four times the carrying capacity of the C-130 Hercules, the largest tanker used by the Forest Service.

Robinson sees the IL-76 as a much-needed strategic weapon for the nation's firefighting arsenal. He is convinced that had it been called in when massive fires in Oregon began raging out of control last year, they would have been squelched before they became mega-blazes.

"Frankly, I'm outraged," says Robinson. "This has been going on over six years. The Forest Service has refused to allow this plane into this country for fire fighting. It's a modern aircraft, a four-engine jet. It covers an area the size of 12 football fields with one 10-second drop. It puts a fireline down 300 feet wide and 3,900 feet long in 10 seconds. It would have saved every community in Colorado and Arizona [last] year. It would have saved those 300 homes in Los Alamos [three] years ago."

Robinson admits to being a "crusader" and even a "zealot."

"That's because I've flown on missions on this plane – I know how good it is," he says.

Designed in the early 1970s for military transport, since the end of the Cold War the IL-76 has been used extensively throughout the world by different countries as a cargo carrier. To fly firefighting missions, it is retrofitted with two aluminum tubes, each one 90-feet long, four-feet in diameter and capable of holding 5,500 gallons of water – a total of 11,000 gallons.

Unlike American tankers that have a pressurized system to dispense the retardant, the Ilyushin has a simple, virtually "bug-free" gravity-flow system. However, this system requires the aircraft to fly straight and horizontal.

"The plane will be flying, say, 150 feet above the ground, at 151 knots [173 mph]," Robinson explained. "The water comes out at the same speed as the plane, as one big sheet of water. But when it gets about a hundred feet above the ground, it slows and comes down as a drenching rain. It's a big blanket of water that comes down vertically in much larger drops [than in the American pressure system]. It's so effective the Russians don't even use fire retardant in it."

The Russian Federation has offered on several occasions to send the plane – or a pair of them – to the U.S., where it could demonstrate its effectiveness on one of the larger wildfires. They ask only for the cost of fuel and food and lodging for the crew. But officials in the USFS have consistently said thanks, but no thanks.

Robinson pointed to an experience in 1999 that changed him from being an enthusiastic supporter of the plane into a "zealot."

Greece at that time was enduring its worst wildfires in over a century. Infernos were raging in the mountainous terrain, and winds were so fierce the air tankers of the Greek Air Force were grounded.

As he tells it, "There were two 3,000-foot-wide fires that were going unabated because of windy conditions through the mountains, burning all their monuments and forests. CNN was there and said it was unstoppable. But we filled up at the Greek Air Force base then went to the first fire. We flew by on an observation run, came back around, lined up on the fire, judged the wind direction, opened the doors on the tanks – and whoosh – 10 seconds later we looked back and that 3,000 feet of fire was gone, absolutely gone."

That took care of the first fire. The pilot returned to the base, the tanks were refilled, and they went to the second fire and put that one out just as quickly.

"These fires had burned for a week, with hundreds of firefighters and all kinds of equipment brought in from Germany and other countries," said Robinson. "The Greek media called it a miracle."

Though it convinced Robinson and the Greek public, the Greek government decided against future use of the Waterbomber, preferring instead to invest in a fleet of planes at $25 million each.



TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ca; firefighting; fires; forestfires; help; ignored; josephfarah; wildfires
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1 posted on 10/31/2003 5:58:29 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Sure would stop police chase on freeway.
2 posted on 10/31/2003 6:01:56 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Sounds like the plane deserves at least a chance...is this American ego getting in the way of a chance to save American lives?
3 posted on 10/31/2003 6:04:09 AM PST by smith288 ((( ‹(•¿•)› )))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; All
I am positive there are very good reasons of national security we do not allow a Russian plane with a Russian pilot to overfly California.

I heard over a year ago of the US development of a foam (I believe it was a foam) that would have protected every single house from fire; why was that not used?!
4 posted on 10/31/2003 6:04:51 AM PST by DianaN (Eternal Freedom)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It is too costly

I wonder how many more lives and homes must be lost inorder for this fellow to think the airplane would be 'cost effective'?

5 posted on 10/31/2003 6:08:05 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It actually drops too much water."
Have you ever heard of anything so stupid? Our government at work.
6 posted on 10/31/2003 6:10:49 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: DianaN
Doesn't the military have bombs that suck the oxygen out of the air? Why not drop some of those?
7 posted on 10/31/2003 6:11:00 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Vaduz

8 posted on 10/31/2003 6:13:35 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Government money = government control)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
""It actually drops too much water."

Tell that to people whose homes have burned. :{
9 posted on 10/31/2003 6:14:22 AM PST by DeepDish (Depleted uranium and democrats are a lot alike. They've both been sucked dry of anything useful)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I dont see any reason why our Forest Service should not have at least one of these.


10 posted on 10/31/2003 6:15:02 AM PST by capydick (Where did all these Useful Idiots come from?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
When you all get serious and file charges against Gray Davis for the flagrant disregard of human life resulting in the death of 20 people. Or better yet just a straight murder charge. Anyone that knows anything about gray Davis knows he is getting back at Californians for kicking his a** out of office.

Dumocrats are evil and extremely vindictive. Just look at James Strisands portral of RR. Davis has always thought he is above the law. He also thinks Califorians are stupid. After all they have put Dumocrats in office.

You all need to wake up and smell the smoke. Then look for the firestarter.

11 posted on 10/31/2003 6:15:42 AM PST by marty60
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Stupid.

It's the same bureaucratic ^&%#&^%#$ red tape that keeps 1,100 FF's and dozen aircraft sitting in Canada.

THey have to get USFS "approval" before they can come across the border and help us out.

It's total and utter BEE ESS.
12 posted on 10/31/2003 6:17:06 AM PST by Johnny Gage (Everyone is someone elses weirdo)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"It wasn't invented here and it wasn't made by any of the airplane manufacturers who take us all to lunch every week."

These idiots need to take their blinders off. Talk about tunnel vision.
13 posted on 10/31/2003 6:17:29 AM PST by Steely Glint ("Communists are just Democrats in a big hurry.")
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To: marty60
Dumocrats are evil and extremely vindictive. Just look at James Strisands portral of RR. Davis has always thought he is above the law. He also thinks Califorians are stupid. After all they have put Dumocrats in office.

Kinda reminds me of our former prez.

14 posted on 10/31/2003 6:18:14 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Probably influenced by the EnviroNazi's telling them that the water would wash too much soil away from the habitat of the dart snail or some other poor creature in its path.
15 posted on 10/31/2003 6:18:23 AM PST by capydick (Where did all these Useful Idiots come from?)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Yeah, I guess you wouldn't want to drop TOO MUCH WATER on a fire.
16 posted on 10/31/2003 6:19:23 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No money in American hacks hands, thus no deal.
17 posted on 10/31/2003 6:20:56 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Andy from Beaverton
The real problem is the Forest Service is the private domain of the enviromental (LET IT BURN WACKOS) left over from the Clinton Administration.

Bush needs to clean house there and at the BLM. Bush could also issue an executive order to use the planes.
18 posted on 10/31/2003 6:21:35 AM PST by cpdiii (RPH, Oil field Trash and proud of it)
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To: capydick

Certainly is a big thing...

Couldn't the State of California contract with whoever they want to drop water? What's the point of electing a renegade outsider if he's not going to do what needs to be done?

What are the Feds gonna do? Shoot it down?

19 posted on 10/31/2003 6:22:22 AM PST by gridlock (Rooting for the Yankees means you can say, "We'll get 'em next year!", and mean it!)
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To: smith288
Sortie rate might be an issue. But the helos they are using carry 150 gallons and make pinpoint drops.

The answer lies in prevention and early suppression, not 100,000 gallons in a jet.

When the fire gets out of hand, you cannot control or manage it. You might divert it, but you won;t extinguish it, even with the Russian jet.

Also, we do not have ATG munitions that will extinguish a big class A fire like this. The fuel is above ignition temp, and too widespread. It's not like a well-head fire. You can't blow this one out (um, especially in a residential neighborhood, go figure)

ex-firefighter, years ago <-- me

20 posted on 10/31/2003 6:22:41 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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