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What I learned about Bernie Sanders
Socialist Worker ^ | June 1, 2015 | Kristen Martin

Posted on 06/01/2015 5:35:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author is an incurable romantic. He should not get on my law .


41 posted on 06/01/2015 8:47:09 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: JPG

Farmers? In heroic pose. How communist.


42 posted on 06/01/2015 8:53:03 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bernie is the choice of sodomite bark eaters maple syrup cheese and ice cream makers wood stove crew wingnuts deliberately self-isolated from reality in unicorn land....
go bernie go.... knock yourself out.... let’s hear more of your insane commie platform.......


43 posted on 06/02/2015 7:22:09 AM PDT by zzwhale
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To: Chuckster

The F-35 is a considerably larger aircraft than the F-16, owing to its internal weapons bays, but still single engined.

That single engine is much more powerful than the engines used on F-16s, so I do think it has a higher db level.

However probably nowhere near what the F-4 was capable of.


44 posted on 06/02/2015 7:29:58 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Chuckster

Oh, and to add, I love how she claims kids will be terrorized by F-35 “bombers” (actually they’re strike fighters) going overhead.

Growing up my school would occasionally get buzzed by A-10s. I’m pretty sure the pilots did it on purpose. I don’t recall anyone being “terrorized” by it. Ok, maybe the teachers, who would have their classes disrupted as all the boys bolted en masse to the windows to witness the epic awesomeness while the girls sat there shaking their heads thinking “stupid boys”


45 posted on 06/02/2015 7:37:11 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Chuckster
Are the F35s that much worse?

Yes and no. The F35 is much louder than the F16 on afterburner. The F35 however does not need afterburner on takeoff. The impact to locals would likely be reduced not increased by the switch to the F35.

46 posted on 06/02/2015 7:53:38 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: ansel12

No. Like Obama, McCain, Graham and you he supported giving weapons to the jihadis in Syria who sold them to ISIS. I guess some in our party never learn.


47 posted on 06/02/2015 8:02:02 AM PDT by nitzy (I don't vote for Republican'ts)
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To: nitzy

I don’t belong to your party, or any party, and never have, and Paul is an idiot that wants to shrink our military.

Also, don’t make up lies for people and claim them as positions for people.

You almost sound like a stalker that is trying to drag in another thread to this one about Bernie Sanders and the F-35.

I agree with JR’s description of Rand Paul.

To: StAnDeliver
Sorry, pal. He’s a light in the loafers amnesty pusher and RINO loving surrender monkey.
184 posted on 3/16/2014, 1:13:28 PM by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)


48 posted on 06/02/2015 8:35:54 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A real-life Ivy Starnes (Atlas Shrugged).


49 posted on 06/02/2015 8:43:03 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote is going to Cruz.)
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To: ansel12
Also, don’t make up lies for people and claim them as positions for people.

Sorry. I didn't mean to make anything up. That was the impression I got. If I got it wrong, would you care to clarify your position on giving arms to the jihadis in Syria?

You almost sound like a stalker that is trying to drag in another thread to this one about Bernie Sanders and the F-35

That is laughable. I am reading a post about Bernie Sanders and what do I find? The fourth comment is a smear against Rand Paul, completely out of left field. Who is trying to drag other threads into this one?

50 posted on 06/02/2015 11:22:39 AM PDT by nitzy (I don't vote for Republican'ts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...
The socialist who swilled out that shill piece is a BDS-supporting, jihad-supporting, Eugene V Debs-loving, redistribution-loving, Israel-hating, Cruz-hating, Clinton-disliking (that would change if Hitlery gets the nomination, because all leftists are lying hypocrites), moron. Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
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51 posted on 06/02/2015 4:05:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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The fight around the F-35 came to define the political moment in Vermont that summer, with debate raging between activists fighting the imperial, economic and environmental consequences of the F-35s, and the Democratic Party operatives forcing the basing on the small Vermont town, with the full support of the Congressional delegation--including Bernie Sanders. The basing of the F-35s promised to have devastating consequences for Vermonters, including plummeting home values and adverse health impacts that would disproportionately impact minority and low-income populations. This is not to mention the grotesqueness of the deal itself, with trillions of dollars being spent on aircraft meant to bomb foreign countries, instead of on schools, infrastructure or health care--a contradiction that one would assume Bernie would acknowledge. But the lines were clearly drawn in Sanders' office... In reality, Sanders' support for the basing of the F-35s was critical to the project's eventual success. Sanders had nothing to say about the burden that the basing would place on working-class Vermont families, and he didn't want to hear from constituents who said otherwise. As both an activist and an intern, I was forced to choose whether to stand with the people of Vermont or with a politician who remained out of touch with grassroots activism. I ultimately found myself protesting my own boss at a Vermont Democratic Party fundraiser, dodging the gazes of my co-workers and putting my job on the line. This continuous tug between the two forces continued throughout the summer. I bit my tongue as I worked through ribbon cuttings and town halls, while struggling to remain involved in political organizing beyond Sanders and the Democrats... Had I done my research, I would have discovered Sanders' frankly hawkish positions on foreign policy. It only takes a brief search to uncover his ardent support for Israeli apartheid, his repeated authorizations of funding for the U.S. military budget, and even his initial vote for Bush's original Authorization for Use of Military Force resolution that began the war on Afghanistan. I would have even discovered pictures in the local newspaper of activists I knew being thrown out of Sanders' office for protesting his support of the U.S. bombing of Yugoslavia. Needless to say, Sanders was not the anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist folk hero I had hoped he would be.
Oh no! Not the indigent poor! Gosh, it's almost as if Bernie was a blue-state Pubbie at one time, not far off from Joe Lieberman the former D. Oh, and Sanders for President! /s
52 posted on 06/02/2015 4:13:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: bryan999

Much of Debs’ support in the 1912 election came from NY state, which was critical for Wilson’s reelection in 1916; Debs didn’t run in 1916, believing (as did most) that Woodrow would indeed keep us out of war. Wilson wouldn’t come out and announce it, but he expected to be renominated in 1920, to run for an unprecedented third term. The delegates to the convention didn’t go for it. Regarding Debs:

[snip] In 1918, he received a 10-year prison sentence for his public opposition to the war... In 1920, the Socialist Party again nominated him as their presidential candidate and over 915,000 voted for prisoner #9653. President Wilson vigorously denied a request for Deb’s pardon in 1921. Finally, Warren G. Harding released Debs under a general amnesty on Christmas Day 1921. Harding asked the old socialist to stop by the White House. “I have heard so damned much about you, Mr Debs, that I am very glad to meet you personally” Harding remarked at their meeting. Debs died in 1926. [/snip]

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/vodebs.htm


53 posted on 06/02/2015 4:20:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: JPG
Things are better on the Peoples Collective:
54 posted on 06/04/2015 2:10:37 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Marxists can only be stopped by violence.


55 posted on 06/04/2015 2:15:27 AM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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To: bryan999

As little as I like Debs’ politics, his anti-WWI speeches leading to his imprisonment was a sign of the totalitarian nature of Progressive President Woodrow Wilson, who really didn’t have any respect for the First Amendment.

The enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend; sometimes he’s just another enemy. Think Hitler and Stalin.


56 posted on 06/04/2015 4:26:03 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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