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Who wins if Hillary doesn't run in 2016? Some Dems crossing fingers that Clinton sits this one out
The Week ^ | May 2, 2013 | Keith Wagstaff

Posted on 05/05/2013 12:52:02 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A new Quinnipiac poll comparing potential Democratic candidates for 2016 comes to a familiar conclusion: Hillary Clinton, if she decides to run, would absolutely dominate the competition.

The poll has 65 percent of potential Democratic voters picking Hillary Clinton as their presidential nominee in 2016. That's in line with multiple recent polls — including from Gallup, PPP, and PublicMind — showing Clinton as the overwhelming favorite in a Democratic primary.

What's interesting about the Quinnipiac poll is that it conducted a separate survey in which Clinton was removed from the race. Which Democrats come out on top if Clinton decides to stay off the campaign trail?

Deval Patrick Support: 6 percent

Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick is benefiting from what could be called the Chris Christie effect. The governor of New Jersey got a lot of nationwide exposure after Hurricane Sandy, and Patrick has been similarly thrust into the spotlight after the Boston Marathon bombings. The people like what they see.

"An emergency like this shows a new dimension of him," Maurice Cunningham, a political scientist at the University of Massachusetts-Boston, told USA Today. "He has a comforting presence, anyway, and that's an advantage. He has to be reassuring to the public and to show the resolve of people."

Not that he is a new face in the Democratic Party. Now in his second term, Patrick became the first black governor of Massachusetts in 2006. Before that, the Harvard Law graduate served as Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights under President Bill Clinton in 1994.....

(Excerpt) Read more at theweek.com ...


TOPICS: Delaware; Massachusetts; New Jersey; New York; Campaign News; Issues; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016; 2016election; biden; cuomo; delaware; democrats; devalpatrick; election2014; election2016; hillary; massachusetts; newjersey; newyork
I don't think this is satire.
1 posted on 05/05/2013 12:52:02 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Personally, I don't think there will be a presidential election in 2016. Especially if the Dems regain the House, expect a move to give Obama a third term or anoint him president for life.
2 posted on 05/05/2013 1:00:03 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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I still don’t understand why demonrats think hitlery is soooooo awesome


3 posted on 05/05/2013 1:05:26 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d say that America wins if Hillary! doesn’t run in 2016...


4 posted on 05/05/2013 1:14:07 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Age has not been kind to Hillary. I say she’s already grown too haggardly looking. If she has any chance at all, 2016 would certainly be her last.


5 posted on 05/05/2013 1:14:39 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: dsrtsage

We are having an election for several public school district board positions and a whole host of other local slots. Wasn’t familiar with any of the people running so went to a candidate forum. Each spoke for 10 minutes. Guess what I learned about them. Educational background, years they have lived in the area, name of person to whom they are married, how many children they have, how much they care about the future of education, etc.

Not one word about their position on CScope, Core Curriculum, the increase in the budget for the upcoming year, the increase in taxes to cover the cost of more administrators and insurance benefits and retirement, teaching to the multitude of constant testing the students must take, absolutely nothing of substance.

I’m convinced that all of politics is nothing more than a popularity contest. Obama beat Hillary because he was a Black man. And obviously Bill did her wrong. But the Democrat females can make it all up to Hillary by electing her as President and then she can get even with Obama and Bill. Look at all the years she was in the White House. Never mind that most of that time it was as the dutiful wife - Democrats believe she acquired sufficient ability and experience through osmosis and by being Secretary of State under Obama. Look at how hard she worked. Political positions or vision for the country have nothing to do with anything.

To use one of my grandson’s phrases, the entire election process is just pathetic. It’s no wonder our country is in such dire straits.


6 posted on 05/05/2013 1:33:35 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Disappointing article. From the title I thought it would delve into whether the Democrats would be better off in terms of their chance of winning the election in 2016 with Hillary or without Hillary.

The candidate who most of the Democrats suport may not be the most electible one.

7 posted on 05/05/2013 1:52:34 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: dsrtsage

They think she is awesome because she wears a necklace in public. You gotta get with the times man!


8 posted on 05/05/2013 2:03:03 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

“They think she is awesome because she wears a necklace in public. You gotta get with the times man!”
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America, the new USSA, is so sick, it makes me want to puke.
I thank God every day that I no longer live there.


9 posted on 05/05/2013 2:48:10 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: AlexW
America, the new USSA, is so sick, it makes me want to puke.

This country has changed a lot since it was founded, and not for the better.

10 posted on 05/05/2013 2:56:17 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: windsorknot

“This country has changed a lot since it was founded, and not for the better.”
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Yes it has, and you are right.
I left before I had ever heard of Barky Obumbo.
I see life in America only getting worse.
The people have been so dumbed down by Marxist education and media.


11 posted on 05/05/2013 3:05:54 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can see it now....Clinton-Christie ticket....


12 posted on 05/05/2013 3:56:51 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: dsrtsage
I still don’t understand why demonrats think hitlery is soooooo awesome

Maybe they just think that everyone else is sooooo un-awesome.

13 posted on 05/05/2013 4:00:53 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: umgud

I don’t think she will be alive in 2016. I think she might be assassinated or have a heart attack like Breitbart. Then it will allow obama to advance his anti-American agenda even further, because there is no longer the expectation for a presidential elect in 2016. The DNC would say there is no one better obama so we should allow infinite amount of terms. They will say the two term limit is outdated. They will say similar things like they do for the gun laws. Who knows maybe such a thing wouldn’t go to a vote. Perhaps obama would simply use a new Executive Order that can only expire with a new President.


14 posted on 05/05/2013 4:00:58 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: dsrtsage

“I still don’t understand why demonrats think hitlery is soooooo awesome”

Dem’s have fallen into the same trap that historically has snared Republicans. That trap being to nominate the most senior person who’s “turn has come”; I.e., Dole, McCain, Romney. Let’em nominate Hillary. She’s old, and will be older in 2016, tired, fat and burned out. Besides her weight, she has plenty of other baggage that will haunt her even in this non-judgemental era....


15 posted on 05/05/2013 4:39:40 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: snoringbear
That trap being to nominate the most senior person who’s “turn has come”; I.e., Dole, McCain, Romney.

I agree with your overall point, but I think there is a wrinkle here.

Romney was involved in politics for decades. He won precisely one election. He's not a senior person. He's not an electable person. He was just a bad, bad choice. It wasn't his turn. He didn't deserve the office. But he was "inevitable".

The GOP makes very odd choices for their candidates. I am under no illusion that the people choose their candidates through primaries -- I don't think it works that way. Romney was selected by the GOP, with very little chance of winning, and for no good reason except perhaps for the fact that he had very little chance of winning.

16 posted on 05/05/2013 4:46:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (T)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It’s obvious that being a VOTER takes a lot of hard work, intelligence, and yes, wisdom acquired through experience. How many people are thus qualified? People should have to pass a voter’s test like they do for drivers licenses, educational diplomas, and jobs.


17 posted on 05/05/2013 5:00:48 AM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The scenereo is ludacrous ... a 70 year old bird brain filled with bat shit running for president ...

no, wait .....

18 posted on 05/05/2013 5:02:59 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The scenereo is ludacrous ... a 70 year old bird brain filled with bat shit running for president ...

no, wait .....

19 posted on 05/05/2013 5:04:34 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they want another Communist; anyone in the Lib party will do.


20 posted on 05/05/2013 5:10:19 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Who wins if Hillary doesn't run in 2016?

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!

21 posted on 05/05/2013 5:15:40 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

John Kerry may make another run at it (I think he served in Viet Nam.)


22 posted on 05/05/2013 5:31:29 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: umgud

Were it not for the GOP, America would win if Hillary runs in 2016. However, the GOP has time and time again proven it can steal defeat from the jaws of victory.

Hillary looks old and has baggage (political and physical). All the GOP would need do is nominate a candidate who is young, articulate and cam hammer out the issues-probably not possible for the dumb party.


23 posted on 05/05/2013 5:42:09 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps the Democrats will scrounge up another negro candidate who is totally unknown to foist upon a dying, gasping America. Africa is full of them and they saw how easy it was to get the last one elected on a platform of ‘Hope and Change.’

Conservatives had better get busy and shed the snake skin of Republicanism and move the furniture to the right....


24 posted on 05/05/2013 5:45:00 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

The GOP keeps nominating candidates that look too much like the dems.


25 posted on 05/05/2013 5:48:05 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: castlegreyskull

Maybe just a dumb redneck, but isn’t Presidential term limits a Constitutional Amendment thing?

Interested to hear the scenario how either a dem Congress or nobama EO overrides the Constitution.


26 posted on 05/05/2013 5:55:35 AM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: umgud

“Age has not been kind to Hillary. I say she’s already grown too haggardly looking. If she has any chance at all, 2016 would certainly be her last.”

Agreed. As far as I can tell, she has barely more credentials to be President than what we have now. And,she’s just too old. There is some truth to men becoming “distinguished”, and women looking old and haggard when they age...not fair, but true to a large degree.


27 posted on 05/05/2013 5:58:27 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Operation Chaos II - “It’s Joe’s Turn”

Let the fool run and split the RAT party like happened to the GOP


28 posted on 05/05/2013 6:13:50 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: ClearCase_guy

Rove has to go.

On PIAPS, it may be a moot point...let’s see what happens this week...


29 posted on 05/05/2013 6:35:05 AM PDT by Shady (Libya shows us how Americans rate...)
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To: X-spurt

Maybe it is. However, I am well aware that the Constitution limits Presidential term limits. I would put nothing pass them at all. They have done a lot of un-Constitional things.

One more thing. Lets use your style of debate. I would like to hear scenario where someone who is not a natural born citizen or refuses to prove his NBC could become President, despite the Constitutional requirement to be such.


30 posted on 05/05/2013 6:46:08 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Considering that in the last 34 years the GOP has had a Bush on its ticket six times, while a Clinton has only been on the Democrat side twice, I think Hill and Chels are likely just warming up.


31 posted on 05/05/2013 7:09:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: IbJensen

Article is a few weeks out of date. Patrick had been mentioned in the past, along with Md Gov Martin O’Malley and LA Mayor Villagarossa, as possible long-shots if Hillary didn’t run, but Patrick didn’t look statesmanlike after the bombing, unlike Cristie, and when the news comes out about all the $$ that Mass paid to the bombers and their families..well.Patrick is finished


32 posted on 05/05/2013 8:20:09 AM PDT by ken5050 (Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but just about every terrorist is a Muslim..)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.

The nomination of Hitlery is a dealbreaker, in the same way that laws violating the 2nd Amendment are dealbreakers.


33 posted on 05/05/2013 8:20:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Republicans want to stand any chance of winning in '16, they better start grooming a female nominee right now.

It doesn't matter who we put up against Hitlery, we will drown in the media slobber.

And whatever male candidate we nominate will have to preface every comment he makes with some tribute to Her Cankleness for her tenure as Receptionist of State and other bullsh*t.

At least by putting up a woman as a candidate we won't have to listen to the incessant grating charge that we hate wimmen.

Not that they won't accuse us of that anyway, but it will make it a little less harder to sell.

Well, it should, anyway.

34 posted on 05/05/2013 8:27:29 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: castlegreyskull
Firstly, my apology for ill stating opening sentence, meant “I” was the dumb nedneck.

Secondly, its obvious I do not support or defend anything nobama nor the liberals do, BUT I have seen nowhere anyone has filed any suit against the Administration for Constitutional violations by the POTUS or his underlings. The Office of President is set up with and Congress has unwittingly allowed much more "un-defined" authority. There have been many trial balloons suggesting they were about to make some unconstitutional action, which I think is to keep Conservatives off balance sort of like a magician distracts, while the progressives, soros' n friends and nobama raiding the Treasury.

Regarding your challenge per NBC, my understanding is that there are two paths to prevent a non-NBC from taking office. One is for States to require proof of a candidate meeting Constitutional requirements to get on the ballot and second is when the Electoral College is confirmed by the House. Any Representative can issue a challenge at that time, speak now or forever hold your peace.

Once the POTUS is sworn in, regardless of how he got to that point, he legally is President and if sufficient proof of non-NBC is presented he can be impeached.

For reasons only the Founders knew, they did not clarify NBC nor give the Constitution a pathway to require unequivocal proof of NBC. For most of our history it was relatively easy to see NBC from one’s public personal history and most holders of the office had sufficient integrity to not try to game the system, as apparently did nobama.

35 posted on 05/05/2013 10:09:48 AM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: X-spurt

You certainly do not sound dumb.

My point is that no one would have ever imagined a person like obama being elected in spite of the Constitutional requirements or a Congress not challenging the Presidential-elect even just a decade ago. So what they may willingly break in the future is just as scary.

I definitely agree that were are purposely being distracted.


36 posted on 05/05/2013 12:45:45 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: castlegreyskull

Thanks! I try to keep up.

I have read where James Buchanan was also not NBC and nothing was done about it.

Considering it would require a pretty strong Representative to raise the point during the first session in January and the newbies may be a bit disorientated, either we need to clarify the “prove” process or not worry about the marginal gray area NBC issues.

A problem, not given much consideration regarding nobama’s NBC, is like the lawyers say “Big cases, make bad law” and his being given a shipload of benefit of the doubt may have set some no so good precedent for looking the other way even mostly because he was black.

I do not see Cruz as having any NBC issues, considering he was born to a legal citizen, even in Canada and his Mom going to the trouble to register him as a NBC born outside the Borders. There seems to be a very clean doc trail for Cruz as opposed to the strong “iffy” one with nobama.


37 posted on 05/05/2013 7:13:12 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That asshat Cuomo maybe? Rahmbo?


38 posted on 05/12/2013 9:38:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: snoringbear
Dem’s have fallen into the same trap that historically has snared Republicans. That trap being to nominate the most senior person who’s “turn has come”; I.e., Dole, McCain, Romney. Let’em nominate Hillary. She’s old, and will be older in 2016, tired, fat and burned out. Besides her weight, she has plenty of other baggage that will haunt her even in this non-judgemental era....

She looks like shit. I seriously doubt she'd withstand the rigors of a campaign, to say nothing of a presidency.

39 posted on 05/12/2013 9:40:59 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; mickie; flaglady47
Hillary won't run for president again.

Like Gore, she'll make an unholy fortune all over the world in speaking fees and personal appearances all the while pretending she'll run.......just as scam artist Gore has made tens of millions by pretending there's globull warming.

IMO, her age in 2016 and probable health and vitality problems will obviate against her throwing her hat in the ring.

Another reason....here's a continually-driven woman who has never come up for air in her adult life. It could be she'll want to enjoy her ill-gotten gains for the rest of her life....and live vicariously through her daughter's political reach for some public office, like senator.

Leni

40 posted on 05/12/2013 9:52:18 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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