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The Huckabee (Immigration) Plan
PoliPundit ^ | December 08th, 2007

Posted on 12/08/2007 4:20:43 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Mike Huckabee’s just-announced plan to stop illegal immigration is about as tough as Fred Thompson’s. It includes the border fence and the employer verification measures that are important to pro-borders voters like me.

NumbersUSA now gives Huckabee’s promises scores that are almost as good as the ones it gives Thompson’s.

It’s heartening to see Huckabee move so far on this issue; as a governor, he was much more sympathetic to illegal aliens, even supporting special scholarships for them that were not available to US citizens.

With Republican presidential candidates endorsing strong pro-borders measures, our prospects of getting the SAVE Act through Congress next year, and of creating similar movement among Democrat politicians, have significantly improved.


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The difference, of course, is that Fred is serious about this issue. Mike Huckabee "cut and pasted" a plan by someone else from a 2005 National Review article as his plan, Fred Thompson actually formulated his with his advisors. If the voters want an un-serious panderer, why not just vote for Hillary or Edwards?!
1 posted on 12/08/2007 4:20:45 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amazing how these guys became ‘conservative’ when they decided to run for President isn’t it?


2 posted on 12/08/2007 4:29:20 AM PST by GeronL (so a gerbil and Richard Gere go into a bar.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can you say “flip-flop”? I knew you could.
This guy is sounding more like Hillary every day. Must be something in the Arkansas water that results in this shiftiness based on polls.


3 posted on 12/08/2007 4:31:34 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The difference between Duncan Hunter and the other candidates is they either flip flop on the issue or just talk about it but Hunter wrote the Secure Fence Act and had a portion of the fence built along the San Diego border. Duncan Hunter has proven he will take action. Go to www.gohunter08.com for more information. Hunter for President!!!!
4 posted on 12/08/2007 4:45:14 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: Man50D

The difference between Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter is that Fred has a shot at being the next president. I have about as much chance as Rep. Hunter.


5 posted on 12/08/2007 4:49:08 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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The difference between Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter is that Fred has a shot at being the next president.

The difference between us is you vote for a candidate solely on the basis you think he can win simply because the socialist media anoints certain candidates as the so called "front runners".
6 posted on 12/08/2007 4:56:25 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: Man50D
"The difference between us is you vote for a candidate solely on the basis you think he can win simply because the socialist media anoints certain candidates as the so called "front runners"."

First of all, you know next to nothing about me or why I am supporting Senator Fred Thompson. Secondly, if I remember correctly, the last congressman elected president was Abraham Lincoln. Brother, that was a LONG time ago! Third, Congressman Hunter has absolutely NO traction in this race, and while I admit that Fred's campaign is not going as well this minute as we might hope, he is still in 2nd or 3rd place in many of the early primary states and has national name & face recognition. His policy and issue statements and white papers at Fred08.com are there for all to see. In the last few days he received the endorsements of the South Carolina and Wisconsin Right To Life chapters, and already has the national endorsement. I see Rep. Hunter as Secretary of Defense, Homeland Security or Veterans Affairs in a Thompson administration. Your thoughts?

7 posted on 12/08/2007 5:15:25 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sorry, but I don't believe a WORD of what the Huckster says. The man's a liar. I heard him on Hannity swearing he had nothing to do with the Wayne Dumond parole, when his own letter to Dumond and the testimony of the entire parole board prove otherwise. Huckster is a slicker liar than Willie ever was.

Here's the REAL Huckster on immigration-he's the worst Quisling traitor running.

"Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority," Huckabee said jokingly as the crowd roared in laughter.

Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at LULAC convention

Thursday, Jun 30, 2005

By Wesley Brown

Arkansas News Bureau

LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life.

"I would hope that no matter who we are, or where we are from, that America should always be a place that opens its arms, opens it heart, opens its spirit to people who come because they want the best for their families ...," Huckabee said as the largely Hispanic audience gave him a standing ovation.

Huckabee was the keynote speaker, along with Tyson Foods Inc. Chairman and CEO John Tyson, at a noon luncheon of the League of United Latin American Citizens, which is holding its 76th annual convention in Little Rock.

About 10,000 political, community and business leaders, along with exhibitors and speakers are in Little Rock attending the convention at the Statehouse Convention Center. The convention started Monday and runs through Saturday.

Although he never actually talked about the U.S. or Arkansas immigration policy, Huckabee made it very clear where he stood on the issue. In his opening remarks, he said the nation will need to address the concerns of the Hispanic community because of its growing influence and population base.

"Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority," Huckabee said jokingly as the crowd roared in laughter.

He told the LULAC delegates that their presence in the state's capital city was very important because Arkansas has one of the fastest growing Hispanic populations in the nation. "Your gathering is so very significant for our state," Huckabee said. "We are delighted to have you."

Despite several light moments, Huckabee did not stray away from several controversial issues that made him a target of criticism during the recently ended 85th General Assembly. He said Arkansas needs to make the transition from a traditional Southern state to one that recognizes and cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population."

"This is an issue that is going to require extraordinary efforts on both sides of the border, particularly those coming from Mexico," Huckabee said of verifying the status of illegal aliens. "But I am confident that our government will recognize that we should accommodate people who wish to provide the best opportunities for their families (and) employers so that we can make sure our economy has the necessary work force."

During the legislation session, Huckabee criticized an immigration bill by Republican senators Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life. Senate Bill 206, which died in the Senate, would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and also force state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally. Holt, R-Springdale, replied later to Huckabee's comments that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking.

8 posted on 12/08/2007 5:24:23 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: GeronL
Quite amazing. Fortunately, the Huckster's open borders, pro-invasion record is there for all to see.

Legality of Huckabee's Mexican consulate deal questioned

Critics say Arkansas citizens, businesses financed office to draw illegal workers

November 1, 2007 - By Jerome R. Corsi - WorldNetDaily.com

Financial inducements arranged by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee to establish a Mexican consular office in Little Rock may have violated state law, according to an Arkansas attorney. As WND reported yesterday, critics in Arkansas charge Huckabee, who lately has enjoyed a surge in his bid for the Republican presidential nomination, worked with some of the state's most prominent and politically powerful businesses to establish the consulate as a magnet for drawing illegal immigrants to the state to accept low-paying jobs. Huckabee, in an interview with WND, strongly denied the allegations.

Arkansas attorney Chip Sexton provided WND a written legal brief arguing the state government's sublease to Mexico of office space for the consulate was illegal under Arkansas law. Sexton contended the deal raised questions about the appropriateness of private citizens and corporations in Arkansas providing financial incentives for the government of Mexico to locate a consulate office in Little Rock.

"This arrangement to bring a Mexican consulate to Little Rock and the manner in which it occurred amounts to a 'consul-gate,'" Sexton told WND. "I'm an Arkansas citizen, why doesn't the state lease me some property and furniture for $1 per year?"

Robert Trevino, commissioner of Arkansas Rehabilitation Services, told WND he and Huckabee helped arrange state and private financial support to induce Mexico to establish the consulate as a business development "quid pro quo."

Trevino signed on July 7, 2006, a "Facilities Use Agreement" with Mexican consular officials to rent state government office space for $1 a year on the second floor of the Arkansas Rehabilitation Services building at 26 Corporate Hills in Little Rock. Sexton points to Arkansas law, which appears to prohibit state agencies, including Arkansas Rehabilitation Services, from sub-leasing government space.

Ark. Code Ann. § 22-2-114(C)(i) provides: "After July 1, 1975, no state agency shall enter into or renew or otherwise negotiate a lease between itself as lessor or lessee and a nongovernmental or other government lessor or lessee."

"Even more offensive, there was nothing in the lease or other agreements that would have prevented the Mexican consulate from providing legal assistance to illegal aliens," Sexton told WND. "We have information that the Mexican consulate operating out of the Arkansas Rehabilitation Facility was providing legal assistance even to Mexican illegal aliens who were accused of committing violent crimes in Arkansas."

Trevino emphasized: "It never was our intent to get involved in the immigration issue or to aid illegal immigration, that's a federal issue. Our interest and emphasis was and is strictly business development." He pointed to the many Arkansas companies, including Wal-Mart and Tyson Foods, that "do a good deal of business in Mexico," "So the more we can facilitate better trade with that country for our companies located here in Arkansas, we have a duty to do that as officials," he said.

Arkansas attorney Sexton disagreed, insisting, "This whole scheme to get a Mexican consulate to locate in Little Rock appears to be nothing more than a veiled invitation for illegal immigrants to come to Arkansas to work for the Arkansas corporations who want cheap labor." "The package is enhanced by social welfare benefits provided by the state of Arkansas and financing assistance to support the Mexican consulate's presence in the state," Sexton said.

Trevino confirmed he was state director of the League of United Latin American Citizens, also known as LULAC, an activist group strongly advocating for rights of Hispanic immigrants in the U.S., when on Oct. 3, 2003, he accompanied Huckabee in a state airplane to visit Fox in Mexico. In 2003, Trevino was Huckabee's economic development policy adviser. In October 2005, Trevino was appointed by Huckabee to his current position as commissioner of Arkansas Rehabilitation Services.

9 posted on 12/08/2007 5:26:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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>>The difference, of course, is that Fred is serious about this issue.<<

Fred's written position is also much better than Huck's. The following is in Fred's plan but missing from Huck's:

Doubling ICE agents handling interior enforcement

Even if I trusted Huck on immigration, I don't think he would know how to effectively enforce it. But it may be that Huck intentionally left out an increase in ICE agents because he doesn't really approve of what they do.
10 posted on 12/08/2007 5:29:06 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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Huckabee is such a fake. A short time ago I heard him being all for the illegal aliens.
11 posted on 12/08/2007 5:31:10 AM PST by Jane Austen
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First of all, you know next to nothing about me or why I am supporting Senator Fred Thompson.

First of all you only point in post was that you assume Thompson has a shot a being President without mentioning any other reasons. That reason by itself is vacuous.

Secondly, if I remember correctly, the last congressman elected president was Abraham Lincoln.

Secondly Lincoln was not a Congressman when he became the nominee in the 1860 GOP Convention. He wasn't even the favorite to become the nominee when the convention opened. Will iam Seward was the facorite. He was a private citizen. He hadn't held political office for 11 years since he his term as a U.S. Representative ended in 1849. Hunter has been in office 27 years! Given that fact comparing Lincoln to Hunter is comparing apples to oranges. Lincoln had far less political experience than Hunter has now. It is more appropriate to compare Lincoln and Thompson since Thompson does not hold office. By that comparison Thompson is as much if not more of a long shot than Hunter.

I admit that Fred's campaign is not going as well this minute as we might hope, he is still in 2nd or 3rd place in many of the early primary states and has national name & face recognition.

Third if we all believed the socialist media then Al Gore won the election in 2000 by initial reports that night and Thomas Dewey defeated Harry Truman in 1948 based on published reports in the newspaper the day after the election! Prudence dictates you should take the socialist media with a grain of salt.

I see Rep. Hunter as Secretary of Defense, Homeland Security or Veterans Affairs in a Thompson administration. Your thoughts?

Hunter for President!!!
12 posted on 12/08/2007 5:54:56 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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Hunter for President!!!

Yep. In 2016. After being VP (hopefully) for two terms. That is the only way he is going to get the name recognition it will take. The THOMPSON-HUNTER ticket is what this nation needs to get back on track. I have said that since, oh, about March when I first heard the rumors here that Fred might run.

I researched the candidates, checked the voting records and came to the FT-DH decision. I might have even been the first here on FR to suggest and advocate a FT-DH team. I have not changed that opinion, wavered, flip-flopped or "reevaluated" that opinion. The Thompson-Hunter team carries the highest number of positive features of anything that the other candidates offer.

To put it plainly...

Duncan does not have a snowballs chance and needs to quit running a loosing race for President and start a winning race for something else.

Fred needs to beat the pack and set a new standard by informally yet resolutely announcing a VP. NOW.

Duncan is the only other candidate besides Fred that has an actual shred of credibility. All of the rest of the field is so tainted with personal baggage and flip-flops that they are unacceptable as a candidate for President of the United States.

Folks here need to realize this is about the future of our nation. It is NOT about "getting excited" about a campaign promise or a speech, it is about saving our nation from the now full-on assault on the united States by what is actually and simply communism.

13 posted on 12/08/2007 6:34:14 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Duncan does not have a snowballs chance and needs to quit running a loosing race for President and start a winning race for something else.

The socialist media has been successful convincing you of the outcome before anything has happened. Hunter is not a quitter.
14 posted on 12/08/2007 6:51:05 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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Hunter is not a quitter.

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I doubt anyone believes Hunter is a quitter. He's a fine man, which few, if any, dispute.

15 posted on 12/08/2007 6:54:49 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Mike Huckabee "cut and pasted" a plan by someone else from a 2005 National Review article as his plan, Fred Thompson actually formulated his with his advisors. If the voters want an un-serious panderer, why not just vote for Hillary or Edwards?!

Well said, but I think a little stronger word than panderer is in order. I think he is telling a flip flopping lie.

16 posted on 12/08/2007 6:56:41 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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"The difference, of course, is that Fred is serious about this issue. Mike Huckabee "cut and pasted" a plan by someone else from a 2005 National Review article as his plan, Fred Thompson actually formulated his with his advisors.

Huh? Mark Kirkorian is IMHO the country's leading expert/activist on illegal immigration. I think it was excellent that Huckabee picked up on his ideas. To me, this shows that Huckabee understands how important this is, and it tells me that Huckabee is extremely serious about dealing with the problem of illegal immigration.

MikeHuckabee.com - I Like Mike!

17 posted on 12/08/2007 7:05:32 AM PST by dano1
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To: dano1; Politicalmom; jellybean; ejonesie22; papasmurf; Bobbisox; DesScorp; fieldmarshaldj; SuziQ; ..
"Huh? Mark Kirkorian is IMHO the country's leading expert/activist on illegal immigration. I think it was excellent that Huckabee picked up on his ideas. To me, this shows that Huckabee understands how important this is, and it tells me that Huckabee is extremely serious about dealing with the problem of illegal immigration."

Being that you are on the Huckabee Campaign Team, I suppose you would know all about the cut-and-paste plan. Mike "Open Borders for Jesus" Huckabee's actions concerning illegal immigration as governor of Arkansas tell a vastly different story, of course. But now he's serious about it? Is he the Baptist Mitt Romney, then?

Fred08 - Contribute Now

18 posted on 12/08/2007 7:13:23 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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I don’t believe Huck’s change of heart at all, after hearing him defend and lie about the illegals going to college in Arkansas. He seems to be slicker than Bill.


19 posted on 12/08/2007 7:22:47 AM PST by libbylu
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But it may be that Huck intentionally left out an increase in ICE agents because he doesn't really approve of what they do.

Gee, ya think?

20 posted on 12/08/2007 7:24:32 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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