Posted on 02/15/2024 4:55:31 AM PST by MtnClimber
The costs will increase. Expect 20% for the Big Guy.
Manhattan Contrarian ping
Hydrogen is not a fuel source. Hydrogen is an energy storage medium like a battery. The only place where Hydrogen makes sense (and it ain’t much sense) is as a load leveler for Solar and Wind farms.
Create and store Hydrogen during peak Solar or Wind production, burn Hydrogen in generators during low or no Wind or Solar production.
But as a fuel for automobiles, it’s a non-starter.
Thermodynamics be damned!
And ignore the atmospheric water vapor emissions...
Hydrogen is carbon-free and so cool, we have to give it a chance.
Maybe someone will try to challenge the laws of thermodynamics at the Supreme Court. Then we could get clean, cheap hydrogen.
Hydrogen is quite common in Earth crust, but all of it is tied in water, hydrocarbon compounds and many minerals. In order to get pure hydrogen, it has to be manufactured by quite expensive methods. Especially the green ones use more energy that it ultimately delivers.
There is no free hydrogen on the Earth!
There is a lot of hydrogen in Sun!
Maybe we could make a pipeline from there!😜
If anyone is old enough to remember the movie “Our Man Flint” with James Coburn, I have a vision of the three “Scientist” who are trying to control the world through the weather when I hear the so called ‘Scientist’ who are prostitutes for the Eco Terrorism that is rampant in our governments. Sir Issac Newton is rolling in his grave that these cretins call themselves Scientists.
The carbon dioxide scam is growing like a cancer despite efforts to counter it with the facts. Green hydrogen is the most egregious version of its metastatic spread.
It is well worth reading the whole article.
It’s those damn Laws of Thermodynamics.
We need to repeal them, pronto!.....................
Alkaline fuel cells are the only sort of cell using hydrogren fuel I’m aware of. (NASA has used them to power satillites and space capsules.) And those require oxygen to create a reaction that produces water, heat, and electricity. I saw a demonstration in an old film where one was used to power a car. Water was a waste product shown trickling out of what would normally be an ICE exhaust pipe.
But I think even those require the hydrogen and oxygen to be liquified via cryogenics to be efficient enough to power something like a car...? And I don’t see something like that being safe enough for street use.
I’m sure there’s a retired engineer out there that can straighten out my limited knowledge of the subject.
This is the era of Taylor Swift Science.
It sounds good, it looks good, but it has absolutely no basis in long term effect......................
Quite similar to:
Burn some coal or other hydrocarbon to produce electricity. Call the electricity "zero emission." Expect the rubes won't figure this out for a while.
Quite similar to:
Burn some coal and other hydrocarbons in massive amounts to produce any darn thing you want in Chine. Call China "a emerging economy." Expect the rubes won't figure this out for a while.
Quite similar to: Buy our "carbon credit" paper and pretend to trade it, as you lose money. Expect the rubes won't figure this out for a while.
Tell the rubes who virtuous they are if they play along, and only glue themselves to streets and buildings and art in museums, and cause traffic jams because they "care" about the earth. And then drive home in their gasoline engine cars.
...Or even a working one!😀
Carbon is everywhere, even coming from our exhaled breath, our cremated or decomposing bodies after death, from every mammal, volcanoes, everywhere.
This is the ultimate straw man fallacy. It has been proven to be bogus but that doesn’t stop the climate cults. Oh no, they will never stop “saving the planet” from, well, nothing.
Now if they really want to do some good, find a way to stop Greta farts, otherwise known as Gretathane. Gretathane is emitted from every lame climate cultist on the planet. Fix that, fix the planet. Heeeeeeeee!
I can just see them all rounded up, placed is a sealed dome-like structure with machines filtering the air by separating Gretathane from O2 and CO2. Billions, maybe Trillions could be wastefully spent on these domes just like with the Green Energy movement. We could call these dome-filled climate freaks “dome heads” or something equally fun.
Hell, apply the same analysis to Menton’s assumed “green” wind and solar. I don’t see any of the devices used to extract these being made by “green” processes. They don’t have impressive operational lifetimes.
A “green” windmill is made out of wood. Is that Don Quixote I see in the distance?
As for nuclear, I would like to humbly submit that if we produce nuclear waste so that we can dry our clothes in electric dryers or buzz about in EVs, then we are lunatics.
It would be great if we could developer some cheaper energy source like Fusion or giant super efficient solar cell farms out west.
But not on burning coal, Fission etc
Adoption of hydrogen on a large scale — let’s say as a transportation fuel — would require that we find some dramatically cheaper way to produce pure hydrogen.
Ok, I got that.
Would I bet against someday finding a cost effective way to produce hydrogen?
No.
Might it be a good alternative if we succeeded in finding a solution?
Yes, of course.
By all means, let’s support continued research in this area. We can do that without jumping off the cliff in pursuit of some green fantasy project. Research, yes. Massive subsidies for premature adoption, no.
If someone actually spotted a unicorn in the wild, the enviros would pivot within 15 minutes to insistence on a 100 percent unicorn fart fueled economy by 2050. Fantasy wish fulfillment leads to magical thinking. The left is now engaged in a systematic revolt against the reality principle on multiple fronts; this is the political problem. But as long as we keep the cost effectiveness calculus in place, hydrogen technologies should continue to be researched.
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