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New Innovative System Can Turn Seawater Into Fuel
Scitech Daily ^ | MAY 30, 2023 | By SLAC NATIONAL ACCELERATOR LABORATORY, Stanford University, University Of Oregon

Posted on 05/30/2023 11:54:00 AM PDT by Red Badger

A representation of the team’s bipolar membrane system that converts seawater into hydrogen gas. Credit: Nina Fujikawa/SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory

The cocktail of elements in seawater, including hydrogen, oxygen, sodium, and others, is essential for life on Earth. However, this intricate chemical makeup poses a challenge when attempting to separate hydrogen gas for sustainable energy applications.

Recently, a team of scientists from the Department of Energy’s SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, Stanford University, University of Oregon, and Manchester Metropolitan University has discovered a method to extract hydrogen from the ocean. They accomplish this by funneling seawater through a double-membrane system and electricity.

Their innovative design proved successful in generating hydrogen gas without producing large amounts of harmful byproducts. The results of their study, recently published in the journal Joule, could help advance efforts to produce low-carbon fuels.

“Many water-to-hydrogen systems today try to use a monolayer or single-layer membrane. Our study brought two layers together,” said Adam Nielander, an associate staff scientist with the SUNCAT Center for Interface Science and Catalysis, a SLAC-Stanford joint institute. “These membrane architectures allowed us to control the way ions in seawater moved in our experiment.”

Hydrogen gas is a low-carbon fuel currently used in many ways, such as to run fuel-cell electric vehicles and as a long-duration energy storage option – one that is suited to store energy for weeks, months, or longer – for electric grids.

Many attempts to make hydrogen gas start with fresh or desalinated water, but those methods can be expensive and energy intensive. Treated water is easier to work with because it has less stuff – chemical elements or molecules – floating around. However, purifying water is expensive, requires energy, and adds complexity to devices, the researchers said. Another option, natural freshwater, also contains a number of impurities that are problematic for modern technology, in addition to being a more limited resource on the planet, they said.

To work with seawater, the team implemented a bipolar, or two-layer, membrane system and tested it using electrolysis, a method that uses electricity to drive ions, or charged elements, to run a desired reaction. They started their design by controlling the most harmful element to the seawater system – chloride, said Joseph Perryman, a SLAC and Stanford postdoctoral researcher.

“There are many reactive species in seawater that can interfere with the water-to-hydrogen reaction, and the sodium chloride that makes seawater salty is one of the main culprits,” Perryman said. “In particular, chloride that gets to the anode and oxidizes will reduce the lifetime of an electrolysis system and can actually become unsafe due to the toxic nature of the oxidation products that include molecular chlorine and bleach.”

The bipolar membrane in the experiment allows access to the conditions needed to make hydrogen gas and mitigates chloride from getting to the reaction center.

“We are essentially doubling up on ways to stop this chloride reaction,” Perryman said.

A home for hydrogen The ideal membrane system would perform three primary functions: separate hydrogen and oxygen gases from seawater; help move only the useful hydrogen and hydroxide ions while restricting other seawater ions; and help prevent undesired reactions. Capturing all three of these together is hard, and the team’s research is targeted toward exploring systems that can efficiently combine all three of these needs.

Specifically in their experiment, protons, which were the positive hydrogen ions, pass through one of the membrane layers to a place where they can be collected and turned into hydrogen gas by interacting with a negatively charged electrode. The second membrane in the system allows only negative ions, such as chloride, to travel through.

As an additional backstop, one membrane layer contains negatively charged groups that are fixed to the membrane, which makes it harder for other negatively charged ions, like chloride, to move to places where they shouldn’t be, said Daniela Marin, a Stanford graduate student in chemical engineering and co-author. The negatively-charged membrane proved to be highly efficient in blocking almost all of the chloride ions in the team’s experiments, and their system operated without generating toxic byproducts like bleach and chlorine.

Along with designing a seawater-to-hydrogen membrane system, the study also provides a better general understanding of how seawater ions move through membranes, the researchers said. This knowledge can help scientists design stronger membranes for other applications as well, such as producing oxygen gas.

“There is also some interest in using electrolysis to produce oxygen,” Marin said. “Understanding ion flow and conversion in our bipolar membrane system is critical for this effort, too. Along with producing hydrogen in our experiment, we also showed how to use the bipolar membrane to generate oxygen gas.”

Next, the team plans to improve their electrodes and membranes by building them with materials that are more abundant and easily mined. This design improvement could make the electrolysis system easier to scale to a size needed to generate hydrogen for energy-intensive activities, like the transportation sector, the team said.

The researchers also hope to take their electrolysis cells to SLAC’s Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lightsource (SSRL), where they can study the atomic structure of catalysts and membranes using the facility’s intense X-rays.­­

“The future is bright for green hydrogen technologies,” said Thomas Jaramillo, professor at SLAC and Stanford and director of SUNCAT. “The fundamental insights we are gaining are key to informing future innovations for improved performance, durability, and scalability of this technology.”

Reference: “Hydrogen production with seawater-resilient bipolar membrane electrolyzers” by Daniela H. Marin, Joseph T. Perryman, McKenzie A. Hubert, Grace A. Lindquist, Lihaokun Chen, Ashton M. Aleman, Gaurav A. Kamat, Valerie A. Niemann, Michaela Burke Stevens, Yagya N. Regmi, Shannon W. Boettcher, Adam C. Nielander and Thomas F. Jaramillo, 11 April 2023, Joule. DOI: 10.1016/j.joule.2023.03.005

This project is supported by the U.S. Office of Naval Research; the Stanford Doerr School of Sustainability Accelerator; the DOE’s Office of Basic Energy Sciences, Chemical Sciences, Geosciences, and Biosciences Division through the SUNCAT Center for Interface Science and Catalysis, a SLAC-Stanford joint institute; and the DOE’s Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Fuel Cell Technologies Office.


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1 posted on 05/30/2023 11:54:00 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: muleskinner; Fiddlstix; TexasTransplant; Squeako; dennisw; norwaypinesavage; 1Old Pro; weps4ret; ...

Ping!...............


2 posted on 05/30/2023 11:54:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

It still needs energy to pump the water through the membrane and electricity. .
How do you get that electricity?


3 posted on 05/30/2023 11:56:06 AM PDT by Frohickey
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If you would like more information about what’s happening in Oregon, please FReepmail me. Please send me your name by FReepmail if you want to be on this list.
4 posted on 05/30/2023 11:56:48 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: Red Badger

Wasn’t there an old Outer Limits episode that had this premise?


5 posted on 05/30/2023 11:58:10 AM PDT by CletusVanDamme (The breaking point will be reached soon. )
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To: Frohickey

There is a little image of a solar panel on the left.


6 posted on 05/30/2023 11:59:09 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: Red Badger

Ummmmmm

This is hydrolysis.

Is this whole article telling us what we’ve been doing with 9 volt batteries in a shotglass of water for 100 years ?

You must be kidding me. Clean Hydrogen, Clean Oxygen?


7 posted on 05/30/2023 12:02:06 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: Red Badger

Some people need to brush up on their Thermodynamics 101.

We are not going to have an energy economy by using photovoltaic energy to convert water to hydrogen and oxygen to then generate hydrogen fueled

It’s absurd.


8 posted on 05/30/2023 12:02:51 PM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Red Badger

Fine! AS long as its commercially viable.


9 posted on 05/30/2023 12:03:56 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Frohickey

“How do you get that electricity?”

Nullpunktsenergie, or fairy dust. Or wishful thinking, the most powerful source of all things imaginary.


10 posted on 05/30/2023 12:04:07 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: Frohickey

Fossil fuel, of course. Same as those EV oversized electric golf karts.


11 posted on 05/30/2023 12:04:40 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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To: CletusVanDamme

There was a Beverly Hillbillies episode..........................


12 posted on 05/30/2023 12:06:18 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: rdcbn1

Didn’t you get the memo?

Biden repealed that Law!.................


13 posted on 05/30/2023 12:07:09 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Within 5 years of this being used, the cultists would be protesting over DROPPING sea levels.


14 posted on 05/30/2023 12:08:43 PM PDT by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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To: Celerity

And when one reads the article, one finds out it’s not only ‘clean hydrogen”, but also that “hydrogen gas is a low-carbon fuel” - pretty amazing for a substance that has no carbon content at all!

One of the most stupidly written articles on science for the general public I’ve ever seen.


15 posted on 05/30/2023 12:09:27 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: Red Badger

“Hydrogen gas is a low-carbon fuel cur ...

As a matter of fact, it is a no-carbon fuel.

On a related subject, the propane people are running TV commercials referring to propane as ‘green’. I have no complaint with propane but it’s not as green as natural gas.


16 posted on 05/30/2023 12:14:21 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Red Badger

17 posted on 05/30/2023 12:17:25 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Celerity

Musk will need both on Mars.


18 posted on 05/30/2023 12:18:08 PM PDT by ckilmer (ui)
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To: Celerity

This was my eighth grade science fair project. I made a beaker using a gallon jug, I used cigar tubes for test tubes. The electrodes were carbon rods from D cell batteries. I had made a power supply using salvaged parts from an old radio, which used an 80 tube as the rectifier, but my teacher wouldn’t let me use it. Had to use a battery instead.


19 posted on 05/30/2023 12:19:23 PM PDT by Ed Condon (subliminal messages here in invisible ink)
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To: Red Badger

Musk I believe, has a desalination plant near SpaceX spaceport in Texas. He pulls splits off C from CO2 in the atmosphere.Then he splits of H from pure H2O made in the desalination plants. From C and H2—he makes Methane gas or CH4.

Musk uses the methane to fuel his rockets.


20 posted on 05/30/2023 12:21:20 PM PDT by ckilmer (ui)
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