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Tesla down 11% today - Vanity
CNBC ^ | 4/20/2023 | N/A

Posted on 04/20/2023 12:25:47 PM PDT by Tell It Right

Tesla is down 11% today.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: nyse; tesla
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Down 61% from its ATH.
1 posted on 04/20/2023 12:25:47 PM PDT by Tell It Right
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To: Tell It Right

I’m sure it’s the rocket implosion and the failing EV sales. He’ll start pulling more moola from Tesla to fund that stuff


2 posted on 04/20/2023 12:31:11 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Tell It Right

And your point?


3 posted on 04/20/2023 12:31:16 PM PDT by Codeflier (My voting days are over. Let it burn...give the people what they want good and hard.)
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To: Tell It Right

Hmm, lowering the price on the Model 3 by 20% and blowing up a billion-dollar rocket is bad for your stock price? Who knew?


4 posted on 04/20/2023 12:33:02 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Tell It Right

FWIW - from Morningstar

Trading at 180 and they see fair market value at 215

“We reduce our Tesla fair value estimate to $215 per share from $225 to reflect higher near-term margin compression as the company is pursuing a volume-over-unit profit strategy in the near term by cutting prices to spur demand. We reduced our near-term automotive profit margin forecast. Separately, we increased our outlook for the energy generation and storage segment to reflect higher growth as Tesla plans to build a new facility in China. Our narrow moat rating is unchanged as Tesla should still generate excess returns on invested capital even in a lower-price environment.

At current prices, we view Tesla shares as undervalued, with the stock trading more than 20% below our updated fair value estimate. While we reduced our near-term outlook, our long-term view is unchanged. We think Tesla’s plan to reduce costs will drive long-term profit margin expansion. We continue to forecast roughly 5 million deliveries in 2030 with automotive gross profit margins recovering from the low-20% range this year to 29%, which is in line with the margins generated over the past two years.”


5 posted on 04/20/2023 12:35:53 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Tell It Right

Time to buy?


6 posted on 04/20/2023 12:41:54 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Yo-Yo

In my friend’s small neighborhood, about seven own teslas and other EV’s they now all hate them. They hate having to plan details for distances and recharging.

Me? I think they’re ok in maybe the most urban of areas…maybe…but still have to get through the weight problem (they’re a bit on the QUITE heavy side and bridges won’t like that one bit) and our infrastructure. Not to mention the child labor involved in the mining of cobalt in Africa needed for the lithium batteries.


7 posted on 04/20/2023 12:42:16 PM PDT by Billie Bud
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To: Yo-Yo
Well - I guess I won't buy a Tesla EV then.
And I was SO looking forward to doing so too!

Shucks...

(/sarc)

8 posted on 04/20/2023 12:45:42 PM PDT by GaltAdonis
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To: Tell It Right
Before EVs make sense, we need to address the gorilla in the room... the lack of infrastructure to charge them. It will require trillions of dollars of upgrades.

Anyone buying an EV at this time is a fool.

9 posted on 04/20/2023 12:46:18 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: spacejunkie2001; Codeflier
I’m sure it’s the rocket implosion and the failing EV sales. He’ll start pulling more moola from Tesla to fund that stuff

IMHO Tesla's sky high valuation in the past was largely fad following of many young e-traders investing in what they think is cool. That fad is fading like disco and beanie babies and the stock price now might be based more on fundamentals.

To be fair, in years past I thought Musk would never get Tesla to actually manufacturing cars on a mass scale and Tesla investors were investing in hopism. I was wrong. Musk has Tesla both making cars and doing well in the carbon credits scam. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Tesla stock prices stabilize here then begin a bull run, even if the stock price never gets back to fad level.

10 posted on 04/20/2023 12:47:19 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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You can thank .gov for tsla stock going to the moon. EV push and covid stimulus. Precovid tsla was under 30 bucks. Perfect example of the covid cash spending spree from R’s and D’s.


11 posted on 04/20/2023 12:47:36 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Billie Bud

Charging them is a major issue. Tesla needs to make the battery packs replaceable. And then “battery pack stations” placed in neighborhoods where the battery pack can be swapped out in 5 minutes.

Oh another major issue — rare earth minerals. This is where hydrogen fuel cells make more sense.


12 posted on 04/20/2023 12:50:05 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Tell It Right

Learn excerpt


13 posted on 04/20/2023 12:50:11 PM PDT by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: dhs12345
Before EVs make sense, we need to address the gorilla in the room... the lack of infrastructure to charge them. It will require trillions of dollars of upgrades. Anyone buying an EV at this time is a fool.

I agree 100% unless you do your homework on your specific situation. I.e. If you don't live in an area with months of hard cold weather, your utility power is stable, you don't have tons of people moving into your state (increasing power demand), your state leaders don't make your power utilities depend on so-called "green" energy, and you're married and need two cars anyway (have one EV and one ICE to have the best of both worlds), then an EV is at least worth considering.

I check off all those boxes. So when my wife's ICE crossover needed replacing we replaced it with an EV crossover and do most of our driving in it (but still have an ICE pickup for times an EV won't do, especially with pickup chores but also if we go on a trip in an area that has few chargers).

Bonus points by the fact that we replaced our two natural gas appliances with electric ones to make our home all electric and installed a large solar system to produce now 80% of all the power we consume (including charging the EV). It's our way of trying to make us more independent from the Dims' stupid war on energy by making most of the energy we consume (including energy for most of our driving). But I definitely wouldn't go that far unless you're willing to REALLY DO YOUR HOMEWORK to make it work well.

14 posted on 04/20/2023 12:55:36 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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the inadequate infrastructure is not a bug

its a feature

the whole point is to destroy personal transportation

ban gas cars

most will not be able to afford/use evs

which will force them on to public transportation

the solution is to get in on the ground floor of

uber rickshaw


15 posted on 04/20/2023 12:57:33 PM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: dhs12345
Charging them is a major issue. Tesla needs to make the battery packs replaceable. And then “battery pack stations” placed in neighborhoods where the battery pack can be swapped out in 5 minutes.

I used to think the same, but now that new EV's charge in 10-15 minutes I'd rather charge my own expensive asset (and take care of it) than swap it out like I do my inexpensive propane tank for my grill. Imagine getting a battery swap and expecting 200 miles out of it but instead getting only 50 miles.

As an example of taking care of your own battery, when we charge our EV at home we charge it on slow speed to extend the battery life. Most people charge their EV as fast as they can (fast for a home level II charger) to reduce the loss of power when converting from AC to DC. (Charging slower = higher power bill) Maybe my charging it at 5.6kW every day instead of at 11.7kW doesn't make much difference in longevity, but that's what I'm doing.

16 posted on 04/20/2023 1:02:59 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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No, the entire plan is to be on regulated grids that .gov has say over your lives. The ability to shut off your ev as it motors to a rally, or when you want to break curfew, etc etc. They want us all in ev systems, AI overlords can’t wait. Part of musk’s push for sat net and all electric bs.


17 posted on 04/20/2023 1:05:14 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Tell It Right

You happy?


18 posted on 04/20/2023 1:16:17 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: McGruff
I'm not invested in any equities right now. I'm still in a bearish position until they go down further.

You?

19 posted on 04/20/2023 1:30:29 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: McGruff

There alright around town….then you charge it at home….0to120 in two seconds…


20 posted on 04/20/2023 1:30:32 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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