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The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model: Why It Might Work and Options to Counter It.
Rand Corporation ^ | January 1, 2016 | Christopher Paul and Miriam Matthews

Posted on 06/06/2022 2:06:36 PM PDT by Widget Jr

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To: DesertRhino; CarolinaReaganFan

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4069108/posts?page=13#13


21 posted on 06/06/2022 2:42:21 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Widget Jr

It’s. Amazing how many apologists for Russian propaganda we have here at. FR.


22 posted on 06/06/2022 2:42:33 PM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: McGruff

“Ukraine is winning the propaganda war. Not even close.”

No, you and your comrades have Ukraine beat all to hell in the propaganda department. Ukraine is amateurish compared to you guys.


23 posted on 06/06/2022 2:46:51 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Widget Jr

https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/05/the-sovietization-of-american-life/


24 posted on 06/06/2022 3:01:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: Widget Jr
"No matter how bad the U.S. press is, the Russian press is always worse."

On that you're 100% wrong. I hear how evil and racist I am every day on the news and Europeans are disappearing from American television broadcasts and commercials at a rapid rate.

Diversity is strength, white people are evil, and perverts are glorious.

25 posted on 06/06/2022 3:14:23 PM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Widget Jr
Ah lying, let's see... Oh here it is!

US Officials Admit They’re Literally Just Lying To The Public About Russia

26 posted on 06/06/2022 3:17:01 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: kiryandil
You haven't been here very long Excuse me?

https://freerepublic.com/~widgetjr/: "I've lurked here years, back when 56Kb modems and bailing wire were used for internet connections."

I knew about how the Delphi method could be used and abused, and how its abuse was exploited years ago. You can find discussion and complaints about it in old newsgroups posts.

The Delphi Method is a consensus and decision making method in controlled group settings. It is not about propaganda in mass media at all.

Much is what is blamed on Delphi, is really just those in charge of a discussion rigging it and using accomplices in the audience. Just like every CNN townhall meeting with "average" Americans.

27 posted on 06/06/2022 3:19:28 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: ought-six
"No, you and your comrades have Ukraine beat all to hell in the propaganda department. Ukraine is amateurish compared to you guys."

Do you want some cheese with that whineought-six? You've gotten kind of bitchy since the Ukes are undeniably getting their aZZes kicked and our $40 billion disappears into many leftist pockets.

28 posted on 06/06/2022 3:19:55 PM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: kiryandil
#19. The article is from the "Rand Corporation", a U.S. think tank.

Posts complain about the "Daily Mail", a British tabloid.

I can see how they are easily confused with each other. /s/

29 posted on 06/06/2022 3:25:12 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr

I posted this on a duplicate thread, but it applies:

In my reading of the history of conflicts, there is one thing to keep in mind-in wartime: historically, propaganda is rarely a one way street.

The goods and evils may differ between various sides, but all sides do it.


30 posted on 06/06/2022 3:27:02 PM PDT by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: Widget Jr
No matter how bad the U.S. press is, the Russian press is always worse.


31 posted on 06/06/2022 3:29:46 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: rlmorel

#30. How very true.


32 posted on 06/06/2022 3:33:28 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr
"I've lurked here years, back when 56Kb modems and bailing wire were used for internet connections."

What's your point?

I know lots of n00bies that say they've been here for decades. I think Rush called them "seminar callers"...

33 posted on 06/06/2022 3:34:14 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: WMarshal

“Do you want some cheese with that whineought-six? You’ve gotten kind of bitchy since the Ukes are undeniably getting their aZZes kicked and our $40 billion disappears into many leftist pockets.”

Not bitchy at all, unlike you. If you had read my posts you’d have seen that I have said — repeatedly — that Russia would likely win the invasion but lose the occupation. My view has not changed.

One of the differences between you butt-hurt pro-Russia peeps and most of us on the other side want is we do not want to see Russia conquered or destroyed: We just want to see Russia withdraw back within its own borders; that has been what we have always wanted.

But, you guys are all for conquest and body counts and slaughter and mayhem, and you actually rejoice in it! We want to see things return to the ante-bellum status quo, and let Ukraine work out its own internal issues. But, no: You guys want to crush Ukraine. Why?

And you have the temerity to call us warmongers?

‘Tis to laugh.


34 posted on 06/06/2022 3:34:51 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The difference is that our tax dollars aren’t going toward the Russian propaganda machine


35 posted on 06/06/2022 3:38:42 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: DesertRhino
#20. "Did I guess right?"

No, not at all. The author' s conclusions are in the "What Can Be Done to Counter the Firehose of Falsehood?" section at the end.

36 posted on 06/06/2022 3:39:38 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This is called “confession through projection” aka “the mirror effect.”


37 posted on 06/06/2022 3:52:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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By far the BEST Russian propaganda was how they CONVINCED Mueller and his 50 or so attorneys that they did not COLLUDE with Trump in the 2016 election.

We all know that Trump and Russia COLLUDED then, but still, Russia’s incredible propaganda machine somehow, some way, managed to convinced these career investigators that Trump didn’t collude.

That is HOW DANGEROUS Russia is, when it comes to propaganda.

Glad to see our media is finally CALLING OUT this Russian interference in the US!!!


38 posted on 06/06/2022 3:52:47 PM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: Widget Jr
Cross reference, same post: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4069120/posts
39 posted on 06/06/2022 3:54:05 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr

Sigh. In nearly every armed conflict as long as there has been man, combatants have been cutting off the genitals of their vanquished foes and stuffing them in the mouths of the emasculated.

Everyone says the other side does it. My observation is not a moral relativism, it is just what I have come to believe in my reading, everything from Thucydides (they had propaganda back then, too) up to nearly any honest book written about modern conflicts.

From what I can tell, in war, nearly every evil thing happens to a greater or lesser degree on both sides. Yes, I do believe it is worse in some respects, more widespread in some respects, and part of military policy in some respects, but...they happen.

And things like that are used by propagandistic cannon fodder on both sides. Sometimes cartoonishly, sometimes professionally, and sometimes transparently. But it is always used.


40 posted on 06/06/2022 4:00:11 PM PDT by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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