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CPR is brutal, undignified... and few survive it. That's why I've had Do Not Resuscitate written on my medical notes, writes former cancer surgeon Liz O'Riordan
DAILY MAIL UK ^ | MARCH 27, 2022 | LIZ O' RIORDAN

Posted on 03/27/2022 5:39:55 AM PDT by KeyLargo

By LIZ O'RIORDAN FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 18:01 EDT, 26 March 2022 | UPDATED: 03:11 EDT, 27 March 2022

The first time I saw CPR being performed was on TV. I was in my teens – it was probably the American medical drama ER. Maybe it was Casualty.

There would always be a frantic scene of a medic pumping away at a patient whose heart had stopped.

Someone would rush in with defibrillator paddles. Someone else would yell 'CLEAR!'

Years later, as a fledgling doctor working on a crash team on hospital wards, I got to see it and do it for real – and it couldn't have been more different.

CPR, or cardiopulmonary resuscitation as it's formally known, is brutal and undignified.

It's given when the heart stops – so in effect the patient has died – in the hope that it will bring them back to life. But it almost never works, because it is generally carried out on patients who are the sickest and the most frail in the hospital.

Their clothes are pulled off so the crash team can get paddles on their chest, and there are medical staff everywhere.

Some are feeling for a pulse, others are cleaning up blood and vomit. It is noisy. Someone is shouting out the number of chest compressions, doctors grunt as they press down. Rib fractures are incredibly common because of the force needed to start the heart – you can hear the bones break.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Reference; Science
KEYWORDS: cpr; dnr; emergency; heartattack; resusitation
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To: ryderann
Good heavens...if CPR is brutal and undignified, try giving birth!

You sound like my mom. She can shut anyone down with that very observation. Every woman in the clan who has been through it, backs her up, too. And incredibly, until recent times, women often bore children until they reached menopause. Factoid, the mother of Queen Marie Antoinette gave birth to 16 children.

21 posted on 03/27/2022 6:27:34 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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To: KeyLargo

“Undignified”? That’s the spin now?

https://www.nutritruth.org/single-post/they-re-using-do-not-resuscitate-orders-to-turn-hospitals-into-death-camps


22 posted on 03/27/2022 6:28:22 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: KeyLargo
CPR is brutal, undignified

Jeez, lady. You must really hate heart transplants. Or giving birth.

23 posted on 03/27/2022 6:30:05 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐Public hangings will wake 'em up.⭐⭐)
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To: TexasGator

What do I disagree with? I interpreted her words as saying CPR should never be done. I’ve had to perform it as a lifeguard, and it saved someone’s life. I was thanked for it later.

Yes, it cracks bones, but is the alternative better? “His rib cage is perfect, and his corpse is stunning?”

And is it this surgeon’s right to make this call regarding another person’s life?

Feel free to disagree with me, I’m not going to argue. But do you agree with her opinion to play G-d with another person’s life?


24 posted on 03/27/2022 6:35:26 AM PDT by Mermaid Girl
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To: KeyLargo

This is crazy.

CPR is taught in Red Cross classes and I learned it in sixth grade.

CPR is meant to provide patients an opportunity to keep their body alive. It may be enough to bring them back or it may need to be done until paramedics arrive with their crash cart/defibrillator.

It saves many lives. The concept of “dignity” by not doing it is disgusting, outside of one person choosing it for themselves. Choosing it for others is an immoral option.

It’s like abortion, only with people outside of the womb who are having a physical problem.


25 posted on 03/27/2022 6:35:47 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

In a hospital, they should have had a crash cart with a defibrillator.

If those can’t do it, I understand, but hospitals have to give it a try.


26 posted on 03/27/2022 6:38:41 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

CPR or something akin to it seems to work on would-be drowning victims fairly often, at least often enough to try. According to this ghoul doctor, we should just let drowning people sink, I suppose. What is wrong with the medical profession? And this woman is a cancer surgeon? I mean, the way she looks at things, why bother? Even with cardiac arrest of heart attack victims outside of the hospital, some succes has been seen with cooling the head to limit brain damage. Instead of throwing up our hands and saying it’s all futile, how about working hard to find better solutions?


27 posted on 03/27/2022 6:42:48 AM PDT by Stingray51 ( )
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To: KeyLargo
"For a person in full health, whose heart stops unexpectedly, CPR, if given within minutes, offers a ten to 20 per cent chance of survival.

Last summer during a game in our senior softball league, a player dropped like a rock when his heart just stopped beating. Fortunately, there were a couple retired firefighters on his team who immediately began heart compressions till the ambulance arrived within 10 minutes. He made a complete recovery and has since had I think a pacemaker installed

For all intents and purposes, the guy was healthy as a horse with no prior incidents. Apparently what happened was genetic since he had a sister who died years ago from the same incident.

There's no question about it tho, had those experienced firefights not been there, he likely would have died.

28 posted on 03/27/2022 6:43:01 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

No if really is not propaganda. It is a perspective. It is a perspective one surgeon is extrapolating onto the general population so there are some problems with it. There are some very true statements she has made. It makes sense to rationally discuss what was said instead of the Pavlovian statement of conspiracy that you make. It appears to me that when one states things are propaganda and rooted in big whatever industry it is that there is insufficient understanding to actually debate the issue.


29 posted on 03/27/2022 6:44:40 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: KeyLargo
Depends on why the heart stopped.

If it is an arrhythmia like ventricular fibrillation, as in sudden cardiac death, and cpr is done right away you can save a life.

If a person is dying of something else it might not work.

And if it isn't started soon enough you might end up with someone brain damaged from lack of oxygen.

A lot of doctors don't want cpr on themself for that reason.

30 posted on 03/27/2022 6:45:01 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: KeyLargo

In a hospital, the people performing the CPR are highly-trained medical professionals who are supposed to be concerned about one thing; keeping the patient alive. Even if CPR doesn’t work most of the time, the alternative is just stand there and watch the patient die. CPR sounds more consistent with what the medical professionals are going to do instinctively.


31 posted on 03/27/2022 6:46:03 AM PDT by Bernard (Jeffrey Toobin may turn out to be the most ethical character at CNN because he only abused himself.)
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To: LadyDoc

Thank you for your intelligent response to the article posted.


32 posted on 03/27/2022 6:47:57 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Hot Tabasco

You make an awesome point. There is a difference between CPR and effective CPR. I do believe as the story you tell demonstrates every person should know the basic skill of basic CPR. I have become a huge proponent of bystander compression only CPR. Effective compressions will provide enough ventilation that the bystander can forget about mouth to mouth. 80-100 at a depth to 1.5 to 2 inches (as hard as you can) until the acls folks arrive.


33 posted on 03/27/2022 6:51:23 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: KeyLargo

It’s fascinating that a person trained in emergency medicine, going to work every day knowing that they are going to lose a percentage of patients because of the nature of the work in trauma medicine, would exhaust the last line of efforts to save a dying patient who comes in broken up because their clothes might be removed. She should have been a farmer.

A real reason using CPR fails is not because of the act but because it never had a chance in a large percentage of patients that it would not help. But the other piece of that patient group percentage is it could, or did.

And if she thinks CPR is worthless, then in looking at the percentage of covid patients with pre-existing conditions like age, lung, heart, or a number of others that are effected by covid, should we vaccinate them as it is a waste of time?

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34 posted on 03/27/2022 6:51:33 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: KeyLargo
If you have a chance to save a life, do it.
You may fail, but you will regret it if you didn't even try.
Don't second guess yourself or listen to people who read this article.
Just don't crush your patient, take size into account, yours and theirs.

35 posted on 03/27/2022 6:57:28 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: KeyLargo

In other words:

We didn’t start the cull only to have “cull-ees” be retrieved from the jaws of death. Everybod be good sports now and repeat after me: DNAR...DNAR...DNAR!!!


36 posted on 03/27/2022 6:58:06 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: gas_dr

gaslight


37 posted on 03/27/2022 6:58:52 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: gas_dr

gaslight


38 posted on 03/27/2022 6:59:39 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: KeyLargo

Obviously this woman is educated beyond her intelligence. Probably a “scientifically assured” atheist.


39 posted on 03/27/2022 7:02:10 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

This is propaganda from the narco/pharma hospital death industry.


40 posted on 03/27/2022 7:05:29 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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