Posted on 06/12/2021 9:54:58 AM PDT by Beave Meister
you got a link to that? Everything i find when typing in “did all test animals die immediately after mrna vaccine injections’ states that no=- they did not die immediately from the vaccines, and were euthanized at a later date-
Yes.
It is TLDR response. I am sorry for that, the subject is just complicated.
This first link is to a reasonable explanation of ADE by an author who actually is in favor of the mRNA treatment and assesses the risk as minimal. I do not find his assessments at all reassuring.
https://davidson.weizmann.ac.il/en/online/reasonabledoubt/ade-and-corona-vaccines
The money quote:
"During experiments performed in the processes of creating vaccines against MERS and SARS, based on inactivated or engineered viruses, ADE was observed in some cases after experimental animal subjects encountered a live virus. Therefore, in pre-clinical trials the concern was raised..."
He is alluding to earlier projects in which all of the test animals died.
To be sure, this was not COVID-19. The experiments were using other coronaviruses from a decade earlier and more. Also note; these were tests of conventional vaccines using inactivated virus rather than the mRNA treatment. The Moderna researchers specifically attempted to avoid ADE reactions by generating the spike protein as the target for immune system response.
Now we are seeing that the spike protein by itself is toxic and provokes pathological blood clotting activity as it circulates through the body.
I just hate it when things like that happen. They happen often when dealing with complex systems. It is wise to be cautious.
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This link is to a research program for SARS in which the test animals were euthanized as you mentioned.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
"Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus"
Read it carefully, especially the finding that"All mice exhibited histopathologic changes in lungs two days after challenge including all animals vaccinated..."
These animals were dying from ADE. All of them. They were of course sacrificed before the reaction would have killed them. The researchers performed autopsies. That is just how this sort of research works.
See also the conclusion: "Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated."
This is a more detailed account of this unfortunate experiment. It was not the first of its' kind.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421
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Some additional light reading for you if you are so inclined:
References:
(1). Tseng, C-T., Sbrana, E., Iwata-Yoshikawa, N., Newman, P.C., Garron, T., et al. (2012) Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus. PLoS ONE 7(4): e35421. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0035421.
(2). Bolles, M.,Deming, D.,Long,K., Agnihothram,S., Whitmore,A. Ferris,M.,Gralinski,L., Totura,A., Heise,M., Ralph S. Baric, R.S., (2011, December). A double-inactivated Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus vaccine provides incomplete protection in mice and induces increased eosinophilic proinflammatory pulmonary response upon challenge. J Virol. 85(23):12201-12215. doi:10.1128/JVI.06048-11
(3). Weingartl, H., Czub, M., Czub, S., Neufeld, J., Marszal, P., Gren, J., et al. (2004). Immunization with modified vaccinia virus Ankara-based recombinant vaccine against severe acute respiratory syndrome is associated with enhanced hepatitis in ferrets. J Virol. 78:12672–6.
(4). Marshall, E., Enserink, M. (2004,February 13). Caution urged on SARS vaccines. Science 303(5660):944-946. DOI: 10.1126/science.303.5660.944
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/303/5660/944
(5). Moderna’s Clinical Trial Results COVID Vaccine Could Not Be Much Worse
https://www.globalresearch.ca/moderna-covid-vaccine-trials/5713705
(6). Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine trial shows positive early results
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1103294
(7). Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine just showed signs of success in a preliminary study, raising early hopes in the fight against the pandemic
https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-releases-first-human-trial-results-2020-5
(8). Early results from Moderna coronavirus vaccine trial show participants developed antibodies against the virus
https://cnnphilippines.com/world/2020/5/18/Moderna-covid-vaccine-trial-early-results.html?fbclid=IwAR1H6tl9aQ7G8Aa2ffy0j8s4K9OUZLGW2hchjF5CTh9qRftJb8QnIhyum0w
(9). Moderna’s Guinea Pig … “Sickest in His Life” after Being Injected with Experimental Vaccine
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/modernas-guinea-pig-sickest-in-his-life-after-being-injected-with- experimental-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=626cd580-34cd-46ad-81dd- 2ee67e2404c8
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Multiple links.
Well done.
thanks- something must have changed in the vaccinations, because folks are still getting the virus after getting the vaccination, but for the most part, they aren’t dying from the body’s reaction to the virus-
A coup-le of folks i guess did die- but most folks who get the breakthrough cases are surviving without complications... at least short term-
[[I just hate it when things like that happen. They happen often when dealing with complex systems. It is wise to be cautious. ]]
Exactly- the body is super complex- and what may be fine for most, will affect others badly- all these drugs on the market come with long lists of symptoms that they could cause, but most will never experience them, while some will- the question is how many?
I don’t think they went from “Vaccine kills all test animals” to “Let’s give it to everyone and see what happens”- i think somewhere along the line, it was tested for safety- it had to be- (I hope so anyways!)- The lawsuits over something that is totally untested, or known to be dangerous, would bankrupt the companies-
Yup- we should proceed with caution- So far there is clotting going on, and heart issues, some have suffered other things too like temporary blindness-
my personal feeling about it all is that only the elderly with preexisting conditions should have been offered it IF they chose to take it- Everyone else has a 99+% chance of surviving the virus fine- kids definitely should not be getting it- they have almost a 100% chance of surviving it, and they don’t pass it along to others supposedly- or rarely do or something like that
If you want to avoid that treatment, just note that high risk groups have high iron stores, and target your ferritin to 70 ng/ml.
mRNA gene therapy will usher in a revolution in health care. But using it to program human cells to producing SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins was not a good idea.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
jpsb wrote: “Re Lock downs; you need to reread our Constitution.”
I would suggest you do the same. Lockdowns, with a few exceptions, ie, interstate travel, are a matter of state law.
Similarly, so are other police powers such as vaccinations and other disease control actions.
State law does not trump the Constitution.
That is far more less expensive than the other options and proven to work as African countries take it (for malaria prevention) and have extremely low COVID cases.
We haven't taken it yet but have it on hand if deemed necessary, in case we come in contact with "vaccinated" people.
We do know the death toll from the virus is over 3.7 Million world wide and over 600,000 in the US.
And, where is the verification for these numbers. Almost everything connected to this virus has been lied about.
jpsb wrote: “State law does not trump the Constitution.”
Of course not, but the Constitution reserves police powers to the states. Therefore there is no conflict between state law and the Constitution in general. The only exceptions have are very few. The attempts to enforce restrictions on church services inconsistent with restrictions on other similar activities come to mind.
Please note, I’m not arguing in favor of lockdowns which I personally oppose. I am arguing about whether these restrictions are allowed by the Constitution. FWIW, there are many things allowed or disallowed by the Constitution that I do not favor but my personal feelings aren’t relevant.
The US death toll stats are crap.
All are stats are crap.
But then this WAS NEVER ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Remember there are lies, damn lies and statistics.
JayAr36 wrote: “And, where is the verification for these numbers. Almost everything connected to this virus has been lied about.”
The US death toll is well documented. Some try to argue that it includes those who died with the virus rather than from the virus but the point is those with comorbidities were living with those comorbidities until they caught the virus and that caused them to die.
BTW, the real lies are that the vaccines are poison.
Well documented by whom?
Have you seen the death certificates for all of them? Their charts, labs?
We’re auditing the election.
We need to audit the damn CoupFlu death count.
Hint: If we see a sudden fall off of certain causes of death among a certain population, start there.
Can’t argue with those of faith. Covidians of the COVID faith have found a way to believe every word from Dr. Mendele (Fauci) and the rest of the government yes-men. I don’t!!
State law can not restrict my freedom of religion.
State law can not restrict my freedom of speech.
State law can not restrict my freedom of assembly.
All of the above are protected by the first amendment.
Do you realize how many privately owned businesses were destroyed by the lockdown, while all the globalist-owned businesses prospered at their expense?
How many landlord lost their properties because they couldn't pay their mortgages when their tenants were no longer allowed to be evicted for not paying their rent?
How many trillions of dollars Congress expended in "stimulus" payments that are going to create Weimar/Venezuela-class inflation?
Tell me you're joking! You must be joking? People that stupid would be too stupid to remember to breathe!
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