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Boom: Trump administration files antitrust suit against Google
The Verge ^ | Oct 20, 2020, 8:33am EDT | By Russell Brandom

Posted on 10/20/2020 6:56:20 AM PDT by RandFan

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To: OrangeHoof
I have no idea what they’ll do about monopolies now.

I dunno, demand lower biasing fees for their anti Trump disinformation efforts?

21 posted on 10/20/2020 7:48:32 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: spokeshave

Just don’t use Google Search.


I may be wrong, but that’s the point. Every Search that I know of uses google in some way or another.

I use StartPage and I love it. It’s very private, but I questioned them at one point and they admitted that they use google for some information.

At least I’m not hit with google’s first five or more preferences to a question and I appreciate that, but
GOOGLE is always there hiding, disguising itself and inserting itself into the mix.

If I haven’t mentioned it lately, let me repeat:

I HATE, LOATHE AND DESPISE ...GOOGLE. And I would love to see it broken up or destroyed.


22 posted on 10/20/2020 8:11:23 AM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: RandFan

Ma Bell and Standard Oil grins


23 posted on 10/20/2020 8:16:46 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: ctdonath2
Don’t see how Google/Facebook/Twitter can be broken up

Much much easier to break up Google than to break up AT&T or Standard Oil both of which were broken up for far less crimes than Google is committing. Google makes AT&T look like the Boys Scouts.

It’s their voluntary customer base that makes them dominant over others, not monopolistic practices.

While that may have been true when Google was founded, its certainly not true now. Google have used their monopoly to crush competitors and strong arm those who use Adsense.
The EU has already imposed huge fines on Google for exactly such abuses.

24 posted on 10/20/2020 8:35:18 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Maris Crane
Every Search that I know of uses google in some way or another.

Bing doesn’t.

25 posted on 10/20/2020 8:36:50 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

AT&T and Standard Oil made it physically difficult to choose alternatives, because there were physically limited options.

ANYONE can use DuckDuckGo, Gab, Locals, etc with just a few keystrokes.

A Google breakup would have to separate search from authentication from mail from document storage from apps from Android from YouTube from advertising from ... which still leaves search as the dominant & manipulable search mechanism. There isn’t a sane & legal way to break up Google as a search engine per se.

Catch is: everything Google does feeds Adsense. Search is just a means to gather user data to mine & target advertising with, as is everything else Google does as free services. Can’t break up search; that & rest exist as cost centers serving the Adsense profit center. Only thing feds can do to “break Google” is end the heavy-handed “use this other Google service too” tactics that tie people into the ecosystem.

I don’t much care what EU did about Google - or anything. EU governance axiom is totalitarian, and it shows.


26 posted on 10/20/2020 8:51:07 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Interesting how those so interested in workERS are so disinterested in workING.)
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To: ctdonath2
Read the DOJ indictment yourself:

“The DOJ argues that Google has entered into exclusionary contracts with phone makers to preload its search engine onto devices using Alphabet’s Android operating system.

Those contracts have allowed Google to maintain a monopoly while stifling competition and innovation, the suit contends. It also accuses Google of using profits from that monopoly to buy preferential treatment for its search engine on web browsers, including Safari.”

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3895898/posts

27 posted on 10/20/2020 8:55:28 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Meh.
Easily overcome. Upon first booting the device, show a list of search engines - sorted by popularity (only fair & sensible, right?) - for the user to pick a default.

Microsoft faced essentially the same thing, with a similar workaround. Still intact.


28 posted on 10/20/2020 9:01:55 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Interesting how those so interested in workERS are so disinterested in workING.)
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To: ctdonath2
don’t much care what EU did about Google - or anything. EU governance axiom is totalitarian, and it shows.

The EU countries are every bit as Democratic as the US. The only reason the US never brought anti trust action against Google was because Steve Schmidt (then Google CEO) visited the Obama White House over 50 times and he and Google made massive contributions to Obama’s campaigns. Obama and Biden were totally corrupt.

29 posted on 10/20/2020 9:02:01 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: ctdonath2
Microsoft was convicted of anti trust for for less than Google’s crimes.
And fined billions as well as ordered to be broken up. Only reason Microsoft wasn't broken up was because Penfield Jackson kept discussing the case with Ken Alluetta during the trial. So the break up order was set aside, but strong supervisory regulations were set in place for Microsoft for 10 years. Without those controls Google may not even be as powerful as they are today.
30 posted on 10/20/2020 9:09:29 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: spokeshave

I understand that Duck Duck Go even uses the Google search but does not track you.

Bing / Microsoft are doing much the same thing as google in filtering and tracking data.

I’d like to see them all ripped to shreds and forced divestiture like the Standard Oil Company. They are on the same scale but more intrusive and just as monopolistic.


31 posted on 10/20/2020 9:37:46 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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To: SmokingJoe

You make my point. Google hands over $billions, hires talented lawyers to talk the case to death, accept “oversight” for 4 years (neuter the next administration), and otherwise remains intact.


32 posted on 10/20/2020 10:13:17 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Interesting how those so interested in workERS are so disinterested in workING.)
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To: SmokingJoe

Hate to sound contrary, but I no likee Bing.


33 posted on 10/20/2020 10:47:20 AM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: ctdonath2
Except they have never faced anti trust action in the US before and have never paid even a penny in fines in the US before. Google has been getting away with murder for over a decade. No more. They will face severe punishment by the time this is over.
34 posted on 10/20/2020 3:10:12 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Maris Crane
Bing is fine. At least as good as Google.
35 posted on 10/20/2020 3:11:22 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Sequoyah101

Bing gives you the option of opting out of being tracked. They need the customers. They can’t afford to Alienate their customers. Unlike Google which is a monopoly and abuses their customers.


36 posted on 10/20/2020 3:15:02 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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