Posted on 06/21/2020 12:12:51 PM PDT by Nateman
The Convention of States specifically nulls the request for Convention if it goes outside the scope of what was requested. Besides that 38 states have to ratify any proposed amendment. Congress has had the same power for all its history , why are people not worried about them?
It is time for we the people to speak up. Term limit the supremes.
By leaving it up to our elected officials. At least they can be voted out, you don't need to apply a pillow to their face , like Scalia, in order to get rid of them.
Indeed he does! But evil men have proven very clever at taking what does not belong to them. Maintaining the rule of law without rulers becoming the law is the trick.
indeed, the problem arose with the court’s power-grab in its Marbury v Madison decision on 23 February 1803.
and nobody’s been able to correct it since
Try not paying the very taxes they use to enforce the laws that limit your freedom. Say, the property taxes used to educate children about gay sex, or the “beauty of islam”. Or other taxes taken from you and redistributed to others not willing to work for it. Sure, freedom comes from God, but he will not stop the government from taking it away from you. Only when you have nothing more to take are you truly free.
I think I heard that in a song once.
That is exactly one of the things a convention would consider. Here is what the simulated convention came up with.
correct it is not unlimited scope
1st argument to that point is getting all of the petitions filed in lockstep at the same time and with the same core language. The cos project has made a great attempt at that but how many states are left that can rally behind that agenda? I fear the corruption in our state and local govts may prohibit further attempts.
2nd would be that even getting 2/3 of states to petition would the congress call said convention? If they didn't how could we force them? I can count on less than two hands the number of senators and reps from all states that I would trust to follow their oath in some form or fashion. The rest are just a lost cause in my opinion. I know it says they have to call it but I doubt they would. So what do we do then? Threaten them perhaps? Wait and vote them all out then try article five?
3rd would be that even if we got the convention called and we were able to get states to send delegates that represented our goals(a concern in itself) then managed to approve amendments, would we then actually be able to get ratification amongst these 3/4 of states? I see corruption in all of our state govts that would at least try to impede that process.
4th and final argument is the one that you brought early to this thread. Marbury vs Madison. Would the courts acknowledge any passage of an ammendment regulating them. They have been interpreting this process how they see fit since this very case and therefore I can't see them limiting their own power that they never truly possessed in the first place.
Please note I did not bring up the idiot bircher argument of runaway convention ect. I do believe in article five I just fear that we may have gone too far down the path of judicial tyranny and moral degradation for it to work. I would love to be wrong on that concept my fellow patriot.
The Supreme Court and the Military were considered the last 2 firewalls for maintaining our Constitutional Republic. Recent events have proven that both are much weaker than we thought. We finally had a conservative S.C. majority which has suddenly vanished. Military Generals, who we thought would be on our side during a Marxist Revolution, are now openly opposing the President. Deep State Traitors everywhere are coming out of hiding. It looks like the cartridge box will be the final firewall.
Please note that I do still support article five, these are just concerns I have. I have contributed to cos over the years, since the tea party days in fact.
Kristofferson was right, in a round about way. So many of our “freedoms” are illusions. Many Americans have willingly given up much of their true freedom, they just don’t realize it until it’s too late.
How many people even know who their state reps are? I didn't because all the real action happens in Washington now. As the count gets closer to 34 the hysteria of the left is going to get a lot of people involved who would not otherwise be interested. You can bet they are going to feel the heat.
...would the congress call said convention?
This would be too historic for them not to. You can be sure the screaming from the left would be so loud it would become a major issue. Have the Convention wither they call it of not is the cure if Congress decides to cheat. I predict Congress will offer some fake amendments or laws first in order to fizzle the movement.
would we then actually be able to get ratification amongst these 3/4 of states?
If the Convention happens after 200 years without one, it's going to be front and center in the minds of Americans. A lot of state reps are going to feel the kind of heat they never have before. It will be endlessly debated just like the original Constitution was . How many amendments will be ratified is anybodies guess.
Would the courts acknowledge any passage of an amendment regulating them.
How many divisions are they in command of? Because they is what they would need to ignore something as rare as a Convention of States.
What kind of moron writes this crap?
No one "gives" us anything! Freaking richardhead!
SCOTUS is there ONLY to protect what the Constitution protects... Our God-given rights & liberties...
Civil War is usually the bloodiest kind. Given the current state of technology it might become the last war anybody fights EVER. Why not use the peaceful way out the Constitution itself offers? We are already 44% of the way there.
We can't trust the Court of Supreme Whim to protect us. Time to take away their shiny toy and let actual elected officials write the laws. The time for an Article V correction has come.
Therein lies one of the problems with out system of government. Everyone in D.C., no matter how "conservative" they are, believes that their job is of vital importance. Their job, of course, is government, so everyone there inherently believes government is the solution to just about everything that ails the people. If they didn't believe that then they wouldn't be there. It's a natural inclination to want to expand the power of your position so they all vote to expand government whenever given the chance. It doesn't matter if they're democrat or republican, they all believe government is the fix for everything.
Ask any teacher and they'll tell you that their job is one of the most important in the world. The same goes for doctors, cops, firefighters, pilots, postmen, garbage men, and government officials. Everyone is convinced that their job is indispensable. It's why a teacher shouldn't be put in charge of the department of education, a cop shouldn't be in charge of the FBI, a doctor shouldn't be in charge of the department of transportation. The teacher thinks the fix to education is to spend even more money down the sinkhole that is education today, the cop thinks everybody's a crook and the end justifies the means in catching them so setting up an elected president is fair game, and the doctor is solely focused on road safety so you end up with ridiculous speed limits, draconian DUI penalties, and silly "safety" measures like cell phone prohibitions while driving. You need outside perspectives, when you're life has been dedicated to one profession you think it's the important field in the world.
This mindset leads to an erosion of liberty because it causes government to grow continually until it's where we are now, so big and all encompassing upon our lives that it's smothering us. The founders envisioned a citizen legislature that would guard against that but we long ago discarded that in favor of an essentially permanent government of professional legislators and civil servants that spend their whole lives in government. To these people government is naturally the answer to everything, no matter what the question. When your only tool is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
The court will never voluntarily limit their own power because they view themselves as indispensable. They believe they're the only thing that exists to fix injustice in the world. They will always vote to give themselves more power. Government is the only entity that has that power to grant themselves even more power. The teacher, cop, firefighter, etc. might think they're the most important person in the world but they can't act upon it to expand their influence, the Supreme Court can and they will as they've shown.
-PJ
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