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An update on Snowbirds crash in Kamloops
kamloopsthisweek.com ^ | 05/17/2020 | Tim Petruk

Posted on 05/18/2020 8:38:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Public affairs officer Capt. Jennifer Casey died in the crash, pilot seriously injured after jet crashed into house in Brocklehurst. Kamloops Mayor Ken Christian said the Snowbirds remain parked at Kamloops Airport for the foreseeable future.

The incident took place seconds after a pair of Snowbirds aircraft took off from Kamloops Airport at about 11:45 a.m. Dozens of versions of video of the crash and its aftermath circulated on social media in the hours that followed.

The videos show one of the planes flying vertically before a pilot is ejected, followed by an airborne explosion and the subsequent crash. Some clips show a second occupant of the plane ejecting shortly before impact.

Capt. Jenn Casey, the squadron’s public affairs officer, died at the scene of the crash.

Dana Hings, a retired nurse visiting Kamloops from the Lower Mainland, said she rushed to offer first aid after hearing the crash nearby.

“I saw a deceased female with catastrophic injuries,” Hings told KTW. “It looked like she hit a tree."

(Excerpt) Read more at kamloopsthisweek.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: aerospace; canada; crash; kamloops; snowbirds; update
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To: volunbeer

See the full video in my #9. The critical footage was cut out of the video original posted.


21 posted on 05/18/2020 9:24:32 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: volunbeer
Did the aircraft lose engines?

In this video at 0.37 seconds you can hear a distinct pop which, to me, sounds like a compressor stall. So yes, the engine appears to have lost thrust and may have been shut down (it is a single engine aircraft).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5x8GSx6sGg

The flight profile, to me, looks like the pilot wanted altitude to eject, the seats are obviously not "zero-zero" so he had to get it to 1500 feet or more. The wingover at the end of the climb looks like a classic stall. The ejection sequence looks like the decision was made after the plane started down.

22 posted on 05/18/2020 9:25:35 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: DesertRhino

The news video has a critical part missing. Go to my #9 for complete video.


23 posted on 05/18/2020 9:26:59 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator
She was climbing with a left turn at slow speedand rolled 90 degrees left resulting in no lift. Nose fell and no recovery. Not a scenario you would see from an experienced pilot.

I witnessed exactly the same type of mishap while I was approaching the airport where we used to keep our airplane. It resulted in the deaths of 6 sky divers and the hotshot pilot. I followed the lone firefighter on the field and assisted him at the gruesome scene. At one point, he said, “Watch out you are going to step on that guy's head!” The bodies were so badly damaged and burned that it was difficult to make some of them out.

The last two fatalities on the airport where we now live were both high time airline pilots who both experienced engine failure on takeoff in their small sport aircraft. These were two separate incidents. Both stalled while trying to turn back to the airport and augured straight in from several hundred feet. Experienced pilots can make mistakes. Flying can be unforgiving.

24 posted on 05/18/2020 9:34:07 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: fireman15

“I took aerobatic instruction to increase my abilities to react in an emergency situation in our own aircraft. I feel that I would be much less likely to panic in an emergency situation after taking the training. “

My flight instructor flew jet transports for the military in the mideast. I really learned to fly but ‘close’ was good enough.

I flew with our club. instructor, an ex-Navy fighter pilot. I learned what ‘precise’ meant when flying!


25 posted on 05/18/2020 9:34:45 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: fireman15

Meant to post ‘should’ but typed ‘would’.


26 posted on 05/18/2020 9:37:07 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: faucetman
Give me one good reason for the existence of ANY of these flying daredevil teams?

Morale, recruitment, doing something with your life. A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why ships are built.

27 posted on 05/18/2020 9:40:31 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("Women's intuition" gave us the Salem witch trials and Kavanaugh hearings. Change my mind.)
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To: fireman15

It appears there is a loss of thrust but can’t tell on audio.


28 posted on 05/18/2020 9:42:00 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator
I flew with our club. instructor, an ex-Navy fighter pilot. I learned what ‘precise’ meant when flying!

Half the guys who live on our field are ex-military. We have a bunch of beautiful old war birds here. Our next door neighbor is ex-military and has an N3N, the Navy equivalent of a Stearman. Three doors down beautiful Amelia who is an airline pilot and still lives with her two airline pilot parents has a beautiful T-6 Harvard.

Thanks for posting the video... It shows the exact sequence of what can happen when you fly outside the flight envelope. It looks like pilot error.

29 posted on 05/18/2020 9:47:43 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: pfflier

“In this video at 0.37 seconds “

Which video?

0.37 seconds?


30 posted on 05/18/2020 9:48:19 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator
It appears there is a loss of thrust but can’t tell on audio.

That could explain it.

31 posted on 05/18/2020 9:49:13 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: fireman15; pfflier

pfflier has another video more under the planes as they take off. See his #22. Some ‘noise’ at 37 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5x8GSx6sGg


32 posted on 05/18/2020 9:55:30 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

The CT-114 was re-designed in 1967 for aerobatics and by 1998 there were still over 100 still in service. During 2000, the majority of Tutors were retired. Since then, it has continued to be used in limited numbers by the service for both experimental (by the Aerospace Engineering Test Establishment (AETE) at CFB Cold Lake, Alberta) and aerial display purposes. By 2019, there were 24 examples registered as in service with the RCAF.

I read a number of entries on line about this and I can’t find where who was at the stick at the time of the incident. Each story identified her and “the pilot.”

In watching the films it looked like when the aircraft started into the port climbing turn and got to the top it may have slipped thus causing a stall. And at that altitude there wasn’t going to be enough air to correct so they both punched out plane to hit where it was going to. Factually, I have no idea why they took that turn to begin with as they were not doing a show, that was the previous day, and the plane was riding a PR officer who would, most likely, not have been there during the show.

Could have been pilot error or mechanical. This may be a tough one for the TSB, their version of our NTSB. There is no “blackbox” in the trainer so radio, aircraft recovered pieces, and filmed flight movements will have to be evaluated of the incident. This will take a long time and a lot of possible speculation. I’ve been involved with investigation working with our NTSB while working for Uncle Sugar both active, NAF, and DOD. They are in for a challenge.

rwood


33 posted on 05/18/2020 10:05:41 AM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Redwood71

Hard to tell. Slow speed loss of control surface effectiveness resulting in 90 degree roll angle with resulting total loss of lift?


34 posted on 05/18/2020 10:14:18 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: BenLurkin
The videos show one of the planes flying vertically before a pilot is ejected, followed by an airborne explosion and the subsequent crash. Some clips show a second occupant of the plane ejecting shortly before impact.

I didn't see a mid-air explosion in the video. I saw what appeared to be two folks ejecting, one before the other.

35 posted on 05/18/2020 10:20:42 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Redwood71

Taking off to the east. Left turn over houses.

https://www.bing.com/maps?q=map+kamloops+airport&form=EDGTCT&qs=PF&cvid=b78a644469c84872afde775baf8998e1&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXK1c4IvZoNqPoPnS%21QRLONzslTDO6wqAZDyE4mZ6XZhM67lnhMnWbsjG3%21VaJWQKrPFI5bw*qpZ2JNwyfnojbyEUvv*72D11nCBb0971ZAe&plvar=0


36 posted on 05/18/2020 10:22:28 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: BenLurkin

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0305048396000126


37 posted on 05/18/2020 10:38:20 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: PAR35
I saw what appeared to be two folks ejecting, one before the other.

Correct

38 posted on 05/18/2020 10:42:41 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Extremism.)
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To: BenLurkin
Does any other nation's military aerobatic team use aircraft as antiquated as the Tutor?

And it boggles the mind that ANY military would put their best pilots in aircraft that should have been retired decades ago WITHOUT ZERO-ZERO ejection seats.

39 posted on 05/18/2020 10:50:16 AM PDT by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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To: PAR35

“The videos show one of the planes flying vertically before a pilot is ejected...”

The main video I watched was when the plane appeared to level out, now coming from the right to the left, and both pilots ejected leaving a smoke trail from the egress. I was a little curious how the angle of the egress was relatively flat like they didn’t eject away from the aircraft but kind of got mostly clear as the aircraft started down. So as far as I can see, they knew there was no way to gain control of the craft and bailed.

That could have been mechanical or computer failure like aeronautics or the power source. They did have egress so it wasn’t a total shutdown. Lots to take into consideration here.

rwood


40 posted on 05/18/2020 11:28:19 AM PDT by Redwood71
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