Posted on 05/18/2020 8:38:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin
See the full video in my #9. The critical footage was cut out of the video original posted.
In this video at 0.37 seconds you can hear a distinct pop which, to me, sounds like a compressor stall. So yes, the engine appears to have lost thrust and may have been shut down (it is a single engine aircraft).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5x8GSx6sGg
The flight profile, to me, looks like the pilot wanted altitude to eject, the seats are obviously not "zero-zero" so he had to get it to 1500 feet or more. The wingover at the end of the climb looks like a classic stall. The ejection sequence looks like the decision was made after the plane started down.
The news video has a critical part missing. Go to my #9 for complete video.
I witnessed exactly the same type of mishap while I was approaching the airport where we used to keep our airplane. It resulted in the deaths of 6 sky divers and the hotshot pilot. I followed the lone firefighter on the field and assisted him at the gruesome scene. At one point, he said, “Watch out you are going to step on that guy's head!” The bodies were so badly damaged and burned that it was difficult to make some of them out.
The last two fatalities on the airport where we now live were both high time airline pilots who both experienced engine failure on takeoff in their small sport aircraft. These were two separate incidents. Both stalled while trying to turn back to the airport and augured straight in from several hundred feet. Experienced pilots can make mistakes. Flying can be unforgiving.
“I took aerobatic instruction to increase my abilities to react in an emergency situation in our own aircraft. I feel that I would be much less likely to panic in an emergency situation after taking the training. “
My flight instructor flew jet transports for the military in the mideast. I really learned to fly but ‘close’ was good enough.
I flew with our club. instructor, an ex-Navy fighter pilot. I learned what ‘precise’ meant when flying!
Meant to post ‘should’ but typed ‘would’.
Morale, recruitment, doing something with your life. A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why ships are built.
It appears there is a loss of thrust but can’t tell on audio.
Half the guys who live on our field are ex-military. We have a bunch of beautiful old war birds here. Our next door neighbor is ex-military and has an N3N, the Navy equivalent of a Stearman. Three doors down beautiful Amelia who is an airline pilot and still lives with her two airline pilot parents has a beautiful T-6 Harvard.
Thanks for posting the video... It shows the exact sequence of what can happen when you fly outside the flight envelope. It looks like pilot error.
“In this video at 0.37 seconds “
Which video?
0.37 seconds?
That could explain it.
pfflier has another video more under the planes as they take off. See his #22. Some ‘noise’ at 37 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5x8GSx6sGg
The CT-114 was re-designed in 1967 for aerobatics and by 1998 there were still over 100 still in service. During 2000, the majority of Tutors were retired. Since then, it has continued to be used in limited numbers by the service for both experimental (by the Aerospace Engineering Test Establishment (AETE) at CFB Cold Lake, Alberta) and aerial display purposes. By 2019, there were 24 examples registered as in service with the RCAF.
I read a number of entries on line about this and I can’t find where who was at the stick at the time of the incident. Each story identified her and “the pilot.”
In watching the films it looked like when the aircraft started into the port climbing turn and got to the top it may have slipped thus causing a stall. And at that altitude there wasn’t going to be enough air to correct so they both punched out plane to hit where it was going to. Factually, I have no idea why they took that turn to begin with as they were not doing a show, that was the previous day, and the plane was riding a PR officer who would, most likely, not have been there during the show.
Could have been pilot error or mechanical. This may be a tough one for the TSB, their version of our NTSB. There is no “blackbox” in the trainer so radio, aircraft recovered pieces, and filmed flight movements will have to be evaluated of the incident. This will take a long time and a lot of possible speculation. I’ve been involved with investigation working with our NTSB while working for Uncle Sugar both active, NAF, and DOD. They are in for a challenge.
rwood
Hard to tell. Slow speed loss of control surface effectiveness resulting in 90 degree roll angle with resulting total loss of lift?
I didn't see a mid-air explosion in the video. I saw what appeared to be two folks ejecting, one before the other.
Taking off to the east. Left turn over houses.
Correct
And it boggles the mind that ANY military would put their best pilots in aircraft that should have been retired decades ago WITHOUT ZERO-ZERO ejection seats.
“The videos show one of the planes flying vertically before a pilot is ejected...”
The main video I watched was when the plane appeared to level out, now coming from the right to the left, and both pilots ejected leaving a smoke trail from the egress. I was a little curious how the angle of the egress was relatively flat like they didn’t eject away from the aircraft but kind of got mostly clear as the aircraft started down. So as far as I can see, they knew there was no way to gain control of the craft and bailed.
That could have been mechanical or computer failure like aeronautics or the power source. They did have egress so it wasn’t a total shutdown. Lots to take into consideration here.
rwood
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