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Pilots who fly IFR need to do it frequently in order to remain proficient.
1 posted on 01/30/2020 7:15:21 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62

Simply mind boggling. Pilot with inability to fly IFR on a helo with no terrain warning system. Shame on Kobe if he was aware of this and still boarded with his daughter and friends.


2 posted on 01/30/2020 7:19:54 AM PST by okkev68
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Lawyers are circling. I believe Kobe was renting the helicopter that he formerly owned. The company that owned it will be declaring bankruptcy very soon.


3 posted on 01/30/2020 7:21:18 AM PST by woodbutcher1963 (HATE)
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"Ara Zobayan, was licensed to fly by cockpit instruments"

This sentence and the headline do not exactly mesh with eachother.

4 posted on 01/30/2020 7:21:45 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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The headline is at best misleading, at worse an out an out lie, as we later read: Ara Zobayan, was licensed to fly by cockpit instruments.

I had always mistakenly thought it was Kobe's helicopter and he was the pilot. At least this article cleared that up for me. All other articles I read I basically glanced at

6 posted on 01/30/2020 7:24:26 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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Hard to understand why he simply did not request permission to climb above the fog, then be given his coordinates and a course to land in a clear area. Something does not make sense. Was someone else sitting in the co pilot’s seat?


9 posted on 01/30/2020 7:25:47 AM PST by allendale (.)
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Audio of the final half minute of flight.

Turn up the volume and the crash can be heard at 28 seconds. It’s not loud, though.

https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1222345578744446976


12 posted on 01/30/2020 7:27:06 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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It is unusual to have a commercial rating without an instrument rating. In most cases the insurance requirements and restrictions would be too onerous to run a a successful business. I can’t imagine running a charter operation with VFR-only rated pilots. I certainly wouldn’t fly with them.


13 posted on 01/30/2020 7:27:32 AM PST by HonorInPa
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Why would anyone trust their lives to flying a chopper in Southern Cal that can only operate in VFR?

IFR needs a ton of practice. I remember working on getting my pilot's license and i was cocky. My instructor had me put the hood on, close my eyes and he asked me to tell him when I thought we were flying level. I did and took the hood off. 30 degree left bank and a slight incline. I got it really quickly.

34 posted on 01/30/2020 7:41:27 AM PST by Solson (Trump 2020!)
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Common sense is not necessarily a requirement for the rich and famous.


35 posted on 01/30/2020 7:43:07 AM PST by gathersnomoss (Welcome to North Mexico, Gringo's it...)
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Sounds like the company is trying to put all the blame on the pilot and everything else.


46 posted on 01/30/2020 7:53:27 AM PST by Enlightened1
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Exactly.

Having an instrument rating only means you passed an instrument check ride at one point in time. Proficiency takes regular practice, just like owning and operating a firearm you intend to carry.

Now, the company that owned/operated that aircraft without a radar altimeter installed (a relatively cheap investment) will probably and rightfully so, be sued out of existence. That aircraft should have never broken contact with the ground given the weather conditions, limitations of its equipment and restrictions to VFR only flight.


53 posted on 01/30/2020 7:57:45 AM PST by TADSLOS (You know why you can enjoy a day at the Zoo? Because walls work.)
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To: Moonman62
Juan Brown at blancolirio is going to have the

best most accurate unvarnished commentary regarding the

Kobe Bryant S-76B Crash anywhere on the interwebs

he is expecting to have a helicopter pilot on today.

7

59 posted on 01/30/2020 8:08:35 AM PST by infool7 (When you have the Lord, nothing else is important and everything is fascinating!)
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Pilots who fly IFR need to do it frequently in order to remain proficient.


And legal.

There are currency requirements for flying IFR. Being IFR rated doesn’t give you a blank check to fly IFR whenever you want.

Even non-IFR pilots aren’t allowed to carry passengers unless they’ve made at least 3 landings in the previous X amount of days/months.


60 posted on 01/30/2020 8:09:35 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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178 SECONDS TO LIVE

An older FAA publication, but it is a very good explanation of what happens in this situation.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/fai/local_more/alaskan_articles/media/178-Seconds_to_Live.pdf


69 posted on 01/30/2020 8:22:35 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....ew)
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To: Moonman62; Chode; SkyDancer; All

Here they go. The Scapegoat(s) have been located.

1)Pilot, convinently Deceased, so therefore = Pilot error.

2)The Charter company & it’s Insurance Carrier.

3)More than likely the Company Chief Pilot/ Instructor.


75 posted on 01/30/2020 8:32:32 AM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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Seems to contradict itself. The pilot is IFR rated and so is the aircraft, so why does it say the chapter company is not IFR rated since there no such thing?


77 posted on 01/30/2020 8:47:49 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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It shouldn’t take an EXPERT to know not to fly a helicopter In effin’ FOG, just as it shouldn’t take an expert to fly a plane when there are WEAPONS FLYING ACROSS THE SKY.

Where does common sense go to die?


85 posted on 01/30/2020 9:29:30 AM PST by Maris Crane
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The Headline does not match the facts in the Story.

He had the Rating but they are saying he wasn’t proficient.


93 posted on 01/30/2020 10:47:13 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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I have a good friend who was retired as a commercial pilot. He used to joke that 90% of all plane crashes were doctors who’d just received their instrument rating. He wasn’t all wrong.


97 posted on 01/30/2020 11:30:38 AM PST by allwrong57
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Kawhi Leonard used the same company and pilot on the recommendation of Kobe. He is reevaluating that now.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28594985/not-all-come-together-yet-grieving-kawhi-leonard-ponders-helicopter-commuting


103 posted on 01/30/2020 5:49:47 PM PST by xp38
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