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To: Moonman62
"Ara Zobayan, was licensed to fly by cockpit instruments"

This sentence and the headline do not exactly mesh with eachother.

4 posted on 01/30/2020 7:21:45 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

Plenty of instrument rated pilots crash because they aren’t proficient. They must fly instruments frequently in order to remain proficient.


7 posted on 01/30/2020 7:24:49 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: thefactor
"Ara Zobayan, was licensed to fly by cockpit instruments"

I'm licensed to carry a concealed handgun, it doesn't make me a Navy Seal or Jerry Miculek.

11 posted on 01/30/2020 7:26:45 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: thefactor

Every commercial pilot is certified to fly by instruments. If this is correct this company wasn’t authorized to operate its helicopters under instrument required flight conditions. Meaning he wouldn’t get much instrument flying practice unless he paid for it himself or trained with a buddy who was paying for it.


15 posted on 01/30/2020 7:28:19 AM PST by lodi90
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To: thefactor

Agree. Not allowed is by the company policy and agreements with the FAA. Nonetheless, a series of decisions led to a tragic ending.

Transitioning suddenly from VFR to IFR is fraught with dangers, even for the best pilots properly certified to fly both. Helicopters, even new ones, don’t exactly fly themselves.

Also, one thing I haven’t seen discussed, is how often helicopters DO proceed in marginal conditions. The nature of the helicopter makes this generally safer than in fixed-wing craft. They can stop, hover, or actually be set down in a safe spot if going on is to difficult. See, e.g., Alaska flight rules and the use of helicopters.


18 posted on 01/30/2020 7:32:20 AM PST by oldplayer
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To: thefactor

Island Express Helicopters, a Long Beach-based company that has seven helicopters registered to it and a related holding corporation, is certified under Part 135 of FAA regulations to provide on-demand charter services under VFR conditions only, according to FAA records.


21 posted on 01/30/2020 7:34:31 AM PST by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and evet n the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: thefactor

Yes, it does. The pilot had an instrument rating. The company he flew for had a VFR only policy. Pretty simple. Despite that policy, the company probably requires all of its pilots to have the instrument rating for insurance purposes.


25 posted on 01/30/2020 7:37:54 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: thefactor

The company rules did not allow IFR..............


29 posted on 01/30/2020 7:39:58 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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To: thefactor
Exactly! Then it says, “ but he likely had little real-world experience in doing so”. Has this journalist examined his log books? Is there nothing today that isn’t fake news?
49 posted on 01/30/2020 7:55:23 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: thefactor
This sentence and the headline do not exactly mesh with eachother.

Sure they do.
He was licensed to fly by instrument: he was trained/licensed on it.
Wasn't allowed to fly by instrument: company policy was no flying by instrument, visual rules only.

Being able to do something and being allowed to do it are completely separate things.
107 posted on 01/31/2020 7:08:03 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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