Posted on 01/26/2020 11:41:50 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
You really want to go there? Donald Trump “raped” women and continued to be even more adored than Kobe Bryant, blah, blah, blah.
It amusing to me to see folks who obviously paid little attention to Bryant in life rush to virtue signal their moral superiority of those reflecting on Bryant today.
Good luck. Famous people dying always brings out the trolls and virtue signalers.
RIP Kobe Bryant.
OH... my son just made me want to kick myself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh_Supreme_Court_nomination
I think her account is probably true, you think she, slut that she is, is lying. Even Bryant agreed publicly that she thought she didn’t want him to keep going, (FWIW, Bryant was married when this happened,) Bryant also made a civil payment of unknown amount, He should have been man enough to acknowledge tha she didn’t want to keep going, and man enough to stop. But he was controlled by his genitals, and couldn’t stop.
But she’s a slut, so he has the right to keep going, No man worthy of the name behaves this way.
We are not conducting a criminal trial, with its perfectly acceptable procedures of degree of doubt, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
she thought
she felt
No thanks, that is not the kind of critical reasoning I want to sign on to,
and by the way, when you come on a public forum and say he IS a rapist, and insinuate he is a serial rapist, you are speaking in the criminal sense. Shame on you.
Must be nice to live on a world where men can be so indulged for whatever they do to women.
She has an account of what happened. Bryant has none, and in fact acknowledged that she saw it as rape. Why then in light of this is he blameless for the way he behaved that night?
Assuming you are male, would you have behaved anything remotely like how you believe Bryant behaved that night? If so, why?
How do you define rape?
Why do you so aggressively demand that everyone believe her? And when you assume, you make an ass of yourself.
Yeah, sad news.
Seemed like a decent enough fella.
I am not saying (“asking” would be better) that everyone believe her. I am asking you in particular to say why you are confident that he didn’t rape her. If you provide evidence from the record that supports your view that she is a liar, please provide it. (I wouldn’t vote to convict Bryant on the evidence I have in front of me, but I think he did rape her, and to the extent the press coverage has underplayed this it has not done its job. Correct me if I am wrong, but your argument seems to be that “She’s a slut, and sluts lie, so Bryant didn’t rape her.)
In saying this I acknowledge that a criminal trial would require that Bryant be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but we are not engaging in a criminal trial here, and you seem alarmingly adamant that he didn’t do it, for no other reason than because sluts lie.
Do you have any case-specific evidence that he didn’t commit a criminal act, beyond “Well, some other women have lied”?
I am simply requesting that if you don’t believe her account of this episode you give a case-specific reason, taking account of the fact that Bryant admitted she thought it wasn’t consensual and settled a civil case out of court, that given the legal definition of rape, he didn’t rape her.
Oh, and that your reason go beyond “sluts lie.”
You can’t answer why you so believe her.
When a woman is raped, she knows she has been raped. She won’t need her mom to explain to her that she has been raped.
Based on your approach to believing this woman, Brett Kavanaugh is a serial sexual predator.
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I on the contrary look at such evidence as is available before I decide. In the Kavanaugh case, we know that his accuser co-authored medical-journal articles indicating the effectiveness of abortifacients, and that some of the claims she made about the facts of the assault and its after-effects were either unsupported, or falsified by the evidence. Therefore I think she lied, and that it was good that Mr. Kavanaugh was confirmed. (Because I think carefully about the evidence before I render judgment, I am not yet convinced that Mr, Kavanaugh will be a good justice. But I am confident that he was maligned.)
What about you? Do you.cosider the available information before you decide? What is the evidence that Bryant’s accuser lied, beyond “Well,other sluts did!” You seem to believe (by all means correct me if I am wrong) for no other reason than that “Sluts lie!” that Kobe Bryant didn’t rape this woman.
I have grown lamentably confident over the years that critical thinking is hard, and that Americans are not very good at it, Don’t use lazy mental models to judge reality. Look at the facts of the issue in question. This is how critical thinking works. I think that the facts of this case in total indicate that one should dubious that Bryant did not rape this woman, slut or not. Do you think he absolutely did not? What do you think, exactly?
I think on at least this occasion, and possibly more, Kobe Bryant raped a woman, and this is disgraceful. Why do you think differently?
He has a point.
I have answered you repeatedly on why I think she is lying, given the evidence available.
Your attempts to aggressively and injuriously attack me proves that you cannot handle debate. Because you can’t defend your position, you are attacking me and making assumptions about me.
You keep using the term “slut.” I have never used that term in describing anyone. Funny that you keep using it, over and over and over. Says a lot about you.
I was very vague.
I meant untenured makes a good point.
LOL, I don’t think you have provided any case-specific evidence that she lied. The only evidence is, “Well, after Googling I found a few instances in which other women did!” If I am mistaken, please link to comments on this thread where you have done what you claim to have done,
Why, given the facts of this case, are you completely confident as you appear to be that Bryant didn’t rape her? I have already said that I may not be confident enough to convict him in a criminal trial, which of course never happened, even as the supposedly innocent Bryant paid to settle a civil suit the woman filed, and as Bryant admitted he thought what she thought happened did so against her consent.
But never mind, because Bryant did nothing wrong for which he could’ve been held legally accountable, because something or other. You seem to have backed yourself into an unreasonable corner, because whenever a celebrity is accused of rape it must be be because some woman wanted sex and then later regretted it. Your seeming absolute unwillingness to believe that celebrities could rape women, because women are what they are and will misunderstand what happens, is what concerns me. Men, notably celebrities, can rape women without snatching them off the street in a dark alley, and IMHO there is a good chance that Bryant raped that woman that night in Colorado. What do you think, based on the evidence you have, happened that night? Why do you think so, other than”well other women made rape charges that didn’t pan out”?
Without question women lie. But they also tell the truth. Why in this case are you so convinced this woman lied?
Goodnight, I have to work tomorrow. We will see if the discussion is worth continuing.
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